Making A Suiko-Site (Split from "Suikofans are whiners")

Calvin · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject:

A project like Tabula Rasa would be huge and would take up nearly all of your time and energy. If you're looking for evidence just look at Tabula Rasa itself--it hasn't been active in a long while. This isn't because SARS is being lazy, he just doesn't have the time or the creative energy, especially since he's really the only person running the thing. If you were to create something like that, you'd have to get someone who devoted all their time to it, and even then I personally don't think one person could do it.

The key is to create a system with minimal interference from the Game Master or Administrator. One way is to have a system where members can create their own, smaller IFFs that might only be the size of a couple threads, or even one thread. This is how it worked at Souleater.org. If you're more ambitious, I'm sure if you thought on it enough you could create that bigger, more involving IFF with minimal GM interference and guidance, however I haven't thought of how. SARS' nation system is a perfect example of an interactive "game" that is runable without taking up an inordinate amount of time (or so I assume).
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VikiFanatic · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:

I see you guys have already planned out ways of trying to improve a Suikoden fanbase... I also commend your ideas regarding a webring. I've been trying to find a good webring site in English to help create one or find an existing one. I think you guys should admin one such webring.

I have a Suikoden site as well ,though it has somewhat already died. So i know what you mean. I'll try to keep advertising the game as well, as much as i can.
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Vextor · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:48 am Post subject:

Alright, I have a rudimentary webring script ready. I realized I have no idea how I can make random text appear though, mainly because having remote sites connect to a database on another server is something that's a bit too dangerous. The best I can do is have the webring thingie have a "next" "previous" "random" "member list" and "join the ring!" link, along with whatver image you wish to use. There's not an ounce of design that's gone into it yet, but that's not really important I suppose.

John Layfield · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:55 am Post subject:

I'll admit I'm struggling to wrap my head around a lot of this but the problem sounds like you're trying to 'draw' the text for the persons site from the site.

Is there any problem with the text being on the server itself, much like the random facts on the front of this very site?

So, in essence, I suppose making each site listed on the webring a small page with both link and text.

Or, y'know, something like that.
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Vextor · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:20 am Post subject:

Nah, what I'm talking about is something like this.

Joe inputs site data into the webring registration form. The form collets site name, URL, and site description. These info are stored inside a database located on suikox's server.

Once this info is submitted, the site is given a site ID which is correlated with the database located on suikox. A block of code is e-mailed to Joe, which includes links that do a (go to-> site_id -1) and (go to -> site_id +1) type of function, among others (such as random, site list, and "join the ring!").

What I can not do here is extract the site description from the suikox database, because although site ID can be predetermined, site description can not. To add that information would require manually updating every code on every site that has the webring "thingie."

There probably are ways to go around this by using javascript, but that will slow down the load time of sites that use this webring script. Without the descriptions, it will be as fast as a scalded dog. The descriptions of each site will be on the site list linked on the "thingie," so hopefylly that is good enough, although autoloading random descriptions sound a lot more appealing.

Anybody have any ideas how to get around that?

Arcana · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject:

Vextor · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject:

XML huh... I see. We'll I've never used XML before so let me take a crack at it. The webring script is finished in the SQL and PHP sense, so hopefully XML can solve the problem.

Arcana · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject:

Holy Paladin · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject:

If you decide to use RSS, you could always get the one from the Suikoden V Official JPN Site. The RSS ticker is in the Download Section.
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Vextor · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I was thinking if I can have a simple code that can extract defined data from even an HTML file and spew it out randomly... that way the'd be no need for direct database access... hmm...

Actually, php includes should do the trick. I'll have to play with this a bit.

AA · Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject:

is anyone elses brain hurting just reading this?

but i think this is a really good idea, its about time that the suiko community joined together to promote the series as one instead of fighting for dominance, and its always a plus to breathe life into a dying site.

Vextor · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:49 am Post subject:

Okay, I think I managed to create a webring script that would do everything expected. The only thing is the formatting sucks at the moment, but I don't mind that because each site will probably re-work the HTML to suit their surrounding.
I still need to work on the autoamte e-mail section for validation purposes.

One thing I'd like to ask is if I should include "language" for the langauge used at each site, and whether a site banner is necessary.

John Layfield · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:57 am Post subject:

Yes for both, with the exception of the Japanese language. I'm not knowledgable on the Japanese Suikoden community but I get the feeling its the 'Rest of the World' section of the community that needs the boost.

Site banner, sure, as long as the size is limited to around, or exactly, the same as those ones Konami use for Suikoden games. They're a perfect size and they're not too large while being easy to use some measure of creativity in its design.
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Vextor · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:04 am Post subject:

I'm not sure how I can limit the size of banners. I'm sure there is a way.

John Layfield · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:07 am Post subject:

Even if there isn't an easy or managable way to do it, just state it as a rule. Your banner too big? No banner at all.
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