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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: [Rhapsodia] What year is it set in anyway? |
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Do I even HAVE to post in this box thing for you to know what I'm asking? I guess so, because the forum demands that I type something. Bloody 'ell....
Anyway! Suikoden IV takes place in IS 305, I assume (still doing my best to bury my head in the sand to escape spoilers) that Suikoden Tactics takes place several years later for the most part with a bit of 'flashbacking' going on.
So, questions are as follows!
1) What is the 'present year' in Suikoden Tactics?
2) What year do those 'flashback battles' and so on take place in?
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: Re: What year is it set in anyway? |
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John Layfield wrote: |
Do I even HAVE to post in this box thing for you to know what I'm asking? I guess so, because the forum demands that I type something. Bloody 'ell....
Anyway! Suikoden IV takes place in IS 305, I assume (still doing my best to bury my head in the sand to escape spoilers) that Suikoden Tactics takes place several years later for the most part with a bit of 'flashbacking' going on.
So, questions are as follows!
1) What is the 'present year' in Suikoden Tactics?
2) What year do those 'flashback battles' and so on take place in?
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1) I read it takes place three years later, so...308, I guess.
2) I believe the "flashback battles" happen over a period of years, the very first being seven years before, but I doubt the last flashback battle is seven years before Suikoden IV. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: Re: What year is it set in anyway? |
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2) I believe the "flashback battles" happen over a period of years, the very first being seven years before, but I doubt the last flashback battle is seven years before Suikoden IV. |
Seven years before Suikoden IV (aka IS 298) or seven years before Suikoden Tactics (aka IS 301)? _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Here's how I see it:
-The first battle in Suiko Tactics takes place around 7-ish years before Suiko 4.
-The battles with Sigurd then Steele take place (I think) the same amount of years before Suiko 4 (7 years).
Then when after that, the game takes place about 3 years AFTER Suiko 4.
Though I don't know how long the events in Kooluk took (probably less than a year). |
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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i remember something in the game that talked about this
when you begin you will find yourself seven years before Suikoden 4 (Because the Chapter say something like that)
then after the last incident in the "flashback battles" the new Chapter tells it has been three years after Suikoden 4 thats where you begin |
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Its kinda of funny because the month and the date are based on what you set your month and date on your PS2. I remeber because when I first played it was 11/21 (I think) and when I started my second game for my younger cosin it was 12/25 (chismas day). _________________
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Actually, there is a misconception here. The "three years later" did not use the Island Liberation War (ILW) as its basis. It was referring to the Steele event instead, which took place some time prior to that war. I have no information on the exact time periods, but Rhapsodia roughly took place within three isolated time slots:
1. Back Street of Razril. The first battle where Walter and his entourage ran into Snowe and Hero in Razril. Supposedly 7 years prior to the ILW.
2. A few years later, the Steele-related events took place. No exact dates were given but we know that this must happen sometime after Rakgi's father lost Rune of Punishment and Brandeau gaining it.
3. Three years after the above sequence of events (NOT the ILW), the main meat of the story began with Kyril's finally resuming his father's quest in Razril.
Also, as Georg_Prime mentioned, there is no way we could be sure the actual date when Kyril's quest ended due to the game mechanics. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Given those clues we can figure a few things out.
If the backstreet battles are indeed 7 years before the ILW, and the rest of the game takes place AFTER ILW (Given character interactions) then the second flashback must be at least 4 years after the backstreet battles. The only thing we can't figure out is how long after the ILW the rest of the game takes place. However, if we could figure that out we can ascertain the exact date of the Steele battles. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're getting tripped up over the Steele/Brandeau/Edgar battles. How long did Brandeau really have the Punishment Rune? Most bearers seemed to have it rather briefly before succumbing to its power.
Also Cray had to have time to get the Rune and drag it all the way up to Scarlet Moon, cut it off, have his son inherit it, the son kill the nobles, and the Rune travel back to the Island Nations again.
This is what SARS's timeline has to say about these events:
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Solar Year 304: Pirate King Edgar Killed
The notorious "pirate king" Edgar is killed while fighting an enemy pirate. The pirate Brandeau avenges his death during the same battle, resulting in his inheritance of the Rune of Punishment from the enemy pirate. |
We see this incident in Tactics. SARS's timeline lists the year, which is one year before...
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Solar Year 305: Island Nations Established
In response to rapid southward aggression and the annihilation of Iluya by the hands of the Kooluk Empire, forces from Razril, Kingdom of Obel, and other surrounding islands including pirates band together. After numerous battles, the Kooluk naval forces are destroyed, resulting in kooluk abandoning its southward ambitions. The islands that banded together for the struggle against Kooluk form the Island Nations Federation. At the same time, Rune Cannons are abandoned for naval warfare purposes due to it being considered "too dangerous." |
This entry seems to indicate the Steele battle took place not too long before the events of Suikoden IV. Naturally, the whole sequence of events starting with the audience with Sigurd could have started a bit earlier.
However, "Rune Cannons are abandoned for naval warfare purposes due to it being considered 'too dangerous,'" seems to be referring to Tactics, but...
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Solar Year 306: Kooluk-Scarlet Moon War
The Scarlet Moon Empire starts invading Kooluk after they are infomed of Kooluk's ambitions against them. The declaration of this war forced Kooluk to abandon its southward ambitions. The war was actually orchestrated by Elenor Silverberg who served the Island Nations forces. |
I'm probably misremembering, but I could swear some NPCs referred to the recent trouble with Scarlet Moon during Tactics. And I believe Kooluk was mobilizing defenses against Scarlet Moon in the "Small Border Village."
It should be noted, though, that SARS has not updated the timeline with a certain event that happens at the end of Tactics, so I guess I may be wrong about the year of Kyril's mission. Maybe this will become clearer whenever he is able to get back around to it. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Konami has been inconsistent. Previously, they said that Brandeau only had the ROP for a "few months." In Rhapsodia, this has been changed to "three years." I don't think 36 months is a "few months." Damn Konami. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sars Ad-Minh wrote: |
Konami has been inconsistent. Previously, they said that Brandeau only had the ROP for a "few months." In Rhapsodia, this has been changed to "three years." I don't think 36 months is a "few months." Damn Konami. |
ROFL. Well, nevermind what I posted above. But, I guess this isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened. :roll:
BTW, Sars Ad-Minh, has Konami given an official name (a la Dunan Unification War, Kooluk Southern Expansion) to the events of Rhapsodia/Tactics yet? |
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I believe they call in the "Islands Liberation War" or something. I don't have any source with me, but I think I heard they gave it a name in the US version of Suikoden tactics. Somebody help me. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yep. The "Island Liberation War" would be the English version's name. They also changed a few names of the locations in Koolok, so our map is inconsistent in terms of the names. That's not really that important though. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, can somebody list all the names of the English versions' official placenames so I can update the map? |
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