Watari and the Ninjas

runemaster · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject:

Who in person started the Kage was it Fuma and who in the Kage ordered Ayame to kill Watari as a traitor
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Axiose · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject:

Fuma was a stand alone ninja in Suikoden I not affliated with the Rokkaku Village (where Kasumi is from) or Kage. After Suikoden I he joins Rokkaku. I think the Kage Organisation would've been around pre-Suikoden I.

There was probably no real order for Ayame to kill Watari. All the ninjas would know the code and know what to do. Watari broke the code so Ayame knew what she had to do. She might very well have been instructed to follow it through, but the person to give the order would be largley irrelevant.
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vash · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:

.... Watari has one meeaaann GUITARI!!! blalenalenalennnn xD
seriously though... he does. ;;>> *cough*
I think Watari.. has got to be one of the coolest characters in Suikoden three. But that might just be me.. I love ninjas... I used him on my team and he got uber strong! ^.^ He was worth all that money I used to bribe him with. It was more of a hiring... but yeah................... I like his hair. >.>
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Acheron · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:

I hate to bust your chops but, we know you love yourself some Watari, but try to enhance the discussion. Some might consider this spamming.

I do have a question though. Did Ayame continue her pursuit of Watari? Or did someone give her a job? Why does Ayame spend all of her time on Watari and not earning some cash money? Is Watari a former character in disguise?

runemaster · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:21 am Post subject:

i think that ayame continued her persuit of watari but i am not entirely sure as fro watari bieng a formar character in disguise well that is highly unlikely because he was always a member of the black wind or kage and after staying fully loyal to someone in highland he was thereafter bieng chased by the kage.
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Beecham · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:

Acheron, I don't really understand the question. Do mean she continued chasing Watari after the war or before the war? Well, if you mean after the war, yes, she continued chasing him, appartantly for the reason that she betrayed the Kage. No, Watari is most certainly not a returning character, but a person that supposedly helped Highland during the Unification war, and fell in love with some woman there (possibly Jillia), and thus stood loyally by her, even after 15 years.

runemaster · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject:

i know this is a bit of topic but what excactly happens to jillia after suikoden 2 because i never played suikoden 2 and i would like to know.
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Kobold · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject:

We do not know who started kage and neither do we know who instructed Ayame to chase watari.

Fuma is not part of Kage.

Jilia was sent to Harmonia with Pilika to live there in a house prepared by Jowy after the Dunan Unification Wars. Jowy knew Highland was collapsing, so he sent Jilia and Pilika away to safety. As for what happens to them after that, no one knows. They could have stayed there happily all their life, Jilia might have became Queen, they might have died, no one knows... Unless Konami tells us...
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runemaster · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject:

oh ok so thats what happens i had absolutly no idea about this thank you kobold
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Darko · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:36 pm Post subject:

Vextor · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:

I think Ayama had her own feelings towards Watari as well. Otherwise, I don't see why she would have accepted to join your army so easily. It sounds similar to how Rachel joins your army to "keep an eye" on Cedric during Suikoden 4. However, this is just speculation.

Leon Silverberg · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:01 am Post subject:

Kage was not the former of the Kage Organisation..i don't know from where i have this info but im certain that it's right.
In fact there are many ninjas from the Kage Organisation that call themselves "Kage" as a kind of codename...it could also be a big translation mistake and the kage organisation has another name..
I think that the Kage Organisation was founded before or in the Timeline of Suikoden 2. The Kage we know sure wasn't related to an organisation...He never says something of it and he only says, that he is only interested in money and who ever pays enough for him is his master. In Suikoden 1 there were no other informations about Kage or the Organisation..

Here is a small snippet of the Kage Information of SARS:

...It is also said that Kage is a member of a group of ninjas loosely connected to the Highland Kingdom, known as "Kage" or "Black Wind." Thus, his name is likely an alias...

Watari and Ayame continue their "cat and mouse game" after Suikoden 3.
And i'm also certain that ayame has a secondary reason for pursuing watari..
Her feelings towards him.

runemaster · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:28 am Post subject:

Correct me if i'm wrong but,Ayame tries to kill watari in suikoden 3 right? So in that case if she continues to chase him then ,to me,it seems unlikely that she would try and chase him and kill him.

Just take this, Watari fights Ayame and IF you lose then Watari is down on his feet. After that your hero (mine was hugo) steps in before Ayame can deliver a final blow. I dont think that a death blow is a sign of love,or some form of care for the person. IF the feeling that everyone means to say is respect to another ninja then i can believe that.

Please tell me if i am wrong, i am open to critizism. :P
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Elzamine · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:

Well a deat blow isn't exactly a sign of love, no. Ayame does seem loyal to her cause, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings for Watari. Seems more to me that she'l try to kill him if the opportunity reveals itself, but otherwise she seems to like the chase. Perhaps there's more to it than that, or maybe not. It just seems weird to me that they worked together decently well in an army neither have any real attachment to. Sort of sounds like an excuse, perhaps :)
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