The Xeno Games

St. Ajora · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject: The Xeno Games

I'm actually playing Xenogears for the first time in my life *swoon*. My overall opinion of it is that it's a game ahead of its time. Not to mention that I'm totally and utterly confused by everything and that I could not resist a peek at a couple plot analysis, but wow. Xenogears doesn't seem like a game to me at all- that's just the other stuff. It's like gears is this complicated and rich storyline that got cast off as being game- almost like the gameplay is holding it back. But make no mistake I love the gameplay =D Not too much emphasis, which I like. Although I can name many games that I have enjoyed a lot more than Xenogears, I look forward to completing it and moving on with Xenosaga, which i bought a few months ago, and then ep II, which I will rush out and buy tomorrow after work.

Anyway I know I'm rambling, but I'll also ask, did anyone make sense of the storyline, almost completely, the first time that they played? I'm absolutely enthralled by it so far. I heard that the sagas are more like novels (well so is gears, in a sense) and once again, the gameplay takes a backseat to the storyline. Normally this would annoy me to no end but I'm kind of looking forward to it...

Urn · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:

Well, I won't lie and say I got the complete the story the first play through. There's a lot of complex issues and topics that the game addresses. I knew and understood most of the psychological terms that were thrown in, but alot of the concepts deal with Nietche and many other terms that would need a doctorate in physics to break down. But, I loved the story and the fact that it makes you think about all sorts of topics.

The fact that they throw in various religious terms and themes just makes the story even more intriguing. You will definitely enjoy all three games and look forward to Xenosaga Episode 3..they have a voice actor already, so a release for the game seems to certain. Which pleases me because there was a lot of concern whether they would stop the series or not.
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Sage · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject:

I was actually playing xenogears before I flew out here to Cali for the summer. The story has confused the heck out of me, especially the part I'm at. I played episode I before xenogears and thought that it was a good game. I don't remember much of the story details though since I finished it quite some time ago. I do remember that there were many times when it looked much more like a cg movie than a game and this annoyed me at some points due to the length of a few of those scenes. But there are also several points when it's just you running around killing things. Not disappointing by any means, IMO.
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Anamanaguchi · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:32 am Post subject:

Does Xenogears have anything to do with Xenosaga?

Ranadiel · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:43 am Post subject:

Officially there is no connection between Xenogears and Xenosaga because they are made by different companies(but not people). However any person with a couple of brain cells that has beaten Xenosaga episode one and Xenogears can tell that the developers of Xenosaga intended for them them to be related. Although they have changed the back story a little bit from the original conception shown in Xenogears: Perfect Works.

I at least like to think that I made complete sense of the plot on my first play through. However I think I might have read some of the stuff online before I actually started playing it.I can't remember for sure. Although on my second playthrough(which was after I played Xenosaga) I noticed a probable connection between the two games through one of the bosses.

Also I think that Xenosaga could very easily end up becoming a much more interesting and complex story then Xenogears is. While I despised the battle system of Episode II, they deepened the story of the story a great deal. They revealed several interesting plot points along with some really cool mechs(in the ending). So yeah I love this series.
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Raze · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject:

Ok, I absolutely adore Xenogears (Xenosaga, not so much, but it's not horrible) because it is hands down, the biggest psychological mind-trip that you will ever experience. The game has so much story to it, that I don't even call it a game anymore. It's more like a graphic novel to me, with some gameplay thrown in to satisfy the masses. ("Oh, tired of reading, are we? Here, enter this tournament. :3") I enjoyed everything about the game: the story, the characters and their development, the battle system, et cetera. There are certain events in the game that I will always keep with me, like when you learn about just who the hell Id really is. (When I saw the CG of Id's gear transforming, I nearly died)

To answer St. Ajora's question, not exactly. This is a game that if you really want to get the full experience, you'll need to play it twice at least. There are so many things in the beginning that they hint to, and blatantly show, that by the time they are answered late onto the 2nd disk, you've completely forgotten about it. Even the Opening anime cutscene bears the utmost relevance to the story, in fact, I'd say it's the most important part.

Oh yeah, Kahn kicks ass! :3

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Ranadiel · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject:

St. Ajora · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject:

They are classified as unofficial sequels.

Taken from http://guardian.leamonde.net/history/index.shtml

Episode I - the era of human expansion, the discovery of Zohar, and the creation of Deus.
Episode II - the crash of the Eldridge and the birth of Miang. Cain and the Gazel, Abel and Elly.
Episode III - the era of technology and war, and the creation of Emeralda.
Episode IV - The Solaris War; Sophia, Lacan, Krelian, and the Diablos conflict.
Episode V - the war between Aveh and Kislev, Krelian's plans, and the events of the game

Cedric · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:

I played Xenogears after Xenosaga so I haven't really paid much attention to Xenosaga's details. After looking back, I do see some stuff that's connected. I do have a few questions, though, assuming that this timeline is actually true for the most part.

Episode 1 = So it says that Deus was created in Episode 1. But I can't seem to remember any type of weapon created that can classify as Dues-like. The only notable weapon I can think of (that was developed in this game) is KOS-MOS. Unless, of course, I missed something.

Episode 2 - I don't plan on getting this game until it drops greatly in price. But with a yes or no answer. (No spoilers please) Does are any of the events mentioned in the timeline covered in Xenosaga 2?

Edit: Yeap. Didn't make the connection. Whoops on my part.
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Ranadiel · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject:

*slams forehead on table reapeatedly* Sometimes I wonder if anyone listens to me. I'm just going to assume that you read my post Ced, but didn't make the connection. The five episodes in St. Ajora are five of the six proposed in Xenogears Perfect Works which are not the same as the Xenosaga episodes. The first episode takes place either 500 or 5000 years(forgot which) before the events of Xenosaga Episode 1. Then the events listed under Episode 2 should take place either during the entire collection of Xenosaga games or shortly afterwards(we have yet to see).

St. Ajora · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:

Ahhh. See, no one seems to bother to explain that. Xeno analysis' are either too complicated or lacking too much information for me to understand. So don't blame me if I don't understand, I haven't even completed xenogears yet :P

Arenegeth · Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:

I played Xenogears back in the day soon after is US release, and that is surprising since back then it wasn't easy to play US games, and it was the first and only US game of its era that I played around release, for those who don't know Xenogears never got released in Europe, not that the Xenosaga Episodes did but just to make it known.

Now when I played Xenogears I didn't even know the English language very well, but I still got the gist of the story or at least I think I did, very interesting RPG had many things I liked, but the second disc caught me off guard even if I was expecting some change and I was training, the hardest battle I had in the game was the one against the gear of that woman with the glasses that name I forget, Mikoto something, anyway I have been meaning to replay the game for some time now since I managed to get it in my possession at the end of 2003 (a friend gave it to me to play back in the day and a friend of his gave it to him) but haven't found the time yet.

Now I'm irritated because the Episodes didn't get a release either in Europe and I have to import them too, so I will try to find my time for this series, I have to say that some of the themes on Xenogears were unique for an RPG and I would like to explore the series to the limit, and now I found out about this Perfect Works, book whatever it is, though I'm guessing only in Japanese I will look for it and when I eventually learn the language to get more accounted with the story...

Ah I wish I had more time in this world to spend on more games, but alas I don't...
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Filipe · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:43 am Post subject:

This entire series is complicated in a way that we might not understand. One thing you have to notice is the fact that the connections in Xenosaga to Xenogears are so obvious. I am sure that Squaresoft would know this already, thus if they didnt agree to let Monolith run with it, even if it means a remake of their game. Heck i would not be at all surprised if they decide to do a co-production remake of Xenogears for episode 5.

They dont need to follow the timeline really if they keep adding elements and surprises into the Xenosaga series which adds in to everything else. Then again Xenosaga on it's own is pretty good to so I wouldnt be dissappointed to see them stay on their own.
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Ranadiel · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:27 am Post subject:

Tendou Souji · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:

Well, anything's possible.
The Xeno series is very, very complicated. One magazine in my country tried to disscuss the storyline with adding every single bit of information known and it took them about 5-6 editions to finish it. One edition had 5-6 pages about it. They found lotsa-lotsa things and speculations. And stuffs containing religious contect and such. Even after i've read it a few times...
I STILL DON'T GET THE FREAKIN' STORYLINE.

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