Rap and Hip-Hop, Yea or Nay?

Kalasnikov · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:45 am Post subject:

As the 13th voter of this poll I say and I SWEAR for my life that rap and hip-hop is nog good music at all. It's stupid, the sais nonsence, they are faggots....and many more...
The best music is the music of perfect harmony ...the sound of metal, techno and classic...Iron Maiden, W.A.Mozart , A.Vivaldi...they are real singers and musicans...
Not rap or hip-hop...I'd rather be tortured than hav to go to a Eminem song festival...You ask why? I tell you why...tell me a drug dealer or an addict who doesn't listen to rap or hip-hop...now tell me a drug dealer or an addict who listens classical music...you won't find that kind of person...that's why I don't like rap and hip-hop at all...thank you...
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St. Ajora · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:18 am Post subject:

You might want to watch how you throw around that F word here man :S

Urn · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:

Arenegeth · Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject:

I like Hip-hop and rap (the difference is supposed to be that rap has more eh singing than talking at least that was my impression all along) but not a particular artist.

And I pay no attention to the social implications of the thing it does not concern me who sings it or why but how it sounds to me.

And Kalasnikov man you can have your opinion but please try not to be offensive to others, from your personal perspective Rap may be all those things, from mine to a point is Heavy Metal that you seem to like, so you see?

I don't go around calling people names though do I?

For the record I'm neither a drug dealer or addict and I listen to both, or rather all mentioned and more, it doesn't work that way you see, if you look beyond stereotypes.

I'll go listen to Parappa the Rapper again now "kick punch is all in the mind".
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Tony Stark · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:53 am Post subject:

Plenty of Drug Dealers listen to classical music, mostly the well-off ones. They drink aged scotch and listen to Mozart all day. My brother knows a few of them, actually. Also, drug dealer and drug users are typically more fond of Pink Floyd and "trippy" music anyway, that is the case with pot most of the time, anyway. Music, a lot of the time is just a cultural thing. People use illegal psycotropic substances in every social class I can think of, and there are also dealers of this in every social class. I bet you the guy who sold acid to Andy Warhol didn't listen to Hip-Hop.

"Drug" is one of those words that can be taken a bunch of different ways. Not all drug dealers sell crack and whatnot. Lots of corporations sling drugs.

Also, when did classical music become the "best" kind of music to listen to? As far as I'm concerned any music can be good if a person is in the right state of mind and is born in the right place. I like Opera, Hip-Hop, Classical, Rock, Alternative, even some Country. What difference does it make the social scene behind said genres? Does it not just matter whether you like the music or not?

Oh, and Hip-Hop isn't even the Drug dealer music-of-choice in my opinion. The Drug Dealers like you're talking about mostly listen to soul, funk and sometimes jazz. Drug Dealers who listen to Hip-Hop typically aren't primarily drug dealers. Though, there are of course special and other cases.
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Beecham · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:

We shouldn't over generalise by saying all nice guys listen to classical music, or some evil-doers listening to rap and hip-hop... That is the problem with the world today, with people already getting "templates" of how certain groups of people are associated with something... For example, people always said how Americans put ketchup on everything, or how French are arrogant, or Asians having weird cuisines and small, pointy eyes, or how Muslims are associated with terrorists... It shouldn't be that way man... It is because of such people the world is in havoc today...

Back to the topic... Hip-hop and rap is neither yay nor nay for me... As there are different groups of such musicians, if you so call them... Eminem is one imaginative rapper, who raps about his life story, I find that good, despite all the f***s and the b******s in his raps, them are still meaningful... However, I simply hate those other rappers like 50-cent, who, despite being Eminem's protegee, raps about many stuff for NC-16 and above... So I will not vote as it would be unfair..

St. Ajora · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject:

Eminem is a smart guy- he's moving out of the spotlight and into the producer's seat while he's hot. I admit, I was a huge fan back when I was 13 and discovering what rap was. I used to listen to the Marshall Mathers LP constantly- until i started really listening to the lyrics. Suddenly, Kim didn't seem like such a suspenseful, thrilling song anymore, as with Kill You, and then like. So I stopped listening so faithfully as I did before because I didn't feel right. Eminem, to me, is good chilling with friends music, or ride in the van with Mom music (haha ;P). I don't really enjoy him as much now, I guess I've grown away from him. Every now and then though, I play some of his songs for old times sake.

But yeah, my point is Eminem is great. He's a very fascinating media figure, and the world will never forget about him. Put some good (and not so good) messages out there. I think that his protege 50 Cent is just a fad- but alas, there will always be 2-3 hit rappers that will shine and then eventually fade into oblivion.

Child of The Sea God · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject:

Odessa++ · Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:17 am Post subject:

okay without the slight bickering and so on...

i love rap and hip hop...of course its not the same anymore, with the typical commercialised songs thats all about sex and money..and the tits and ass everywhere spread about the video clips..(by which is taking me to the point that im listening to old skool songs) but admittedly i listen to most of these songs cos i like the music.

but it feels as though rap and hip hop is swirling down the drain, as if record companies are just signing up anybody who can spit one or two words effortlessly like anyone can easily do, slap on the bling, throw a girl wearing next to nothing on the arm, and produce a phat beat (which is usually wasted)

i wonder if this would have happened if some of the great ones were still alive...2pac, Biggy, Eazy-E..etc

i hate change..

weather you agree with me or not.. i dont really give--... but thats how i see it

so imma vote yea for hip hop and rap for the likes of THE MAN Jigga!! who still keeps it real.. Missy Elliot, Outkast, Snoop (sometimes) Clipse, Dr Dre, BTNH, Kanye.. Neptunes and Timbaland...blah blah

man i talk alot of shiit!:? hahahahahaha!!! but forreal.. music is my release

Tony Stark · Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:

Be careful with what you say there, Odessa++

Rap and Hip-Hop certainly have changed from the innovative sounds of Grandmaster Flash and such to the more commercial Rap and Hip-Hop we know today. The change happened when corporations realized how much rap music sells and stopped hating and learned to embrace it. Art is a giant war against money, most of the time. And if you can get money without the greed money-loving men, that's when you've really gotten lucky.

If you look at the roots of rock music, it's no different than the current roots of rap. Ironically, they were both invented by the same ethnic group. (again, I'm generalizing here) Eventually, corporations finally seized rock and made it a lot of the pop we have heard in years past and present. People hated rock in the beginning, they thought it was music devoid of talent and useless, just because it was new and innovative.

Also, to see the current trends of commercial v. artistic, in the case of Rap and Hip-Hop, I usually look at Russell Simmons, arguably, the most influencial man in Rap and Hip-Hop history that wasn't an MC. I look to see where he's going, and what he wants people to hear. Right now its Slam Poetry and a lot of new underground Hip-Hop artists are getting their start that way. You don't just go to record labels and get picked up you know. A lot of the people who do commerical rap really are talented they just, to use a term I don't really like, "sold out."
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Child of The Sea God · Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject:

Odessa++ · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:24 am Post subject:

Tony Stark · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject:

I love rap and hip-hop - I was referring to some of the language you used, Kate.
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Cirus · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:

Rap is the greatest genre of music and thats that, my fave rapper is none other than John Cena!
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Elc · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:

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