Windy and True Runes

Urn · Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:

Why would the fact that Teo McDohl adopting just some war-brat be big news? He is one of the Six Great Generals and no one has the right to question what he chose to do. Besides, it is always harder to locate something that is right under your nose.

I mean, look at Wyatt and Geddoe. Geddoe has his True Lightning Rune the whole time and had been with his mercenary group for some odd years and they never knew or suspected a thing. Wyatt was a Zexen Knight, had the True Water Rune and participated in the First Fire Bringer War and still no one suspected a thing.

It is just one of those things where people overlook the obvious as they find it too simple to be true. Besides, Windy had no idea what Ted looked like. He knew her face, but she hardly caught a glimpse of him. It would be impossible to expect either one of them to know exactly what each other looked like after so many years. So, that's why she had to wait until the Soul Eater was used again.
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Starslasher · Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject:

Even if Windy was searching for Ted and the Soul Eater Rune exculsively, would that have given her a better reason to be in the Island Nations at IV?

But i suppose that she didn't know about the Fog Ship Captain, who took Ted in and kept his Soul Eater Rune for the time being. I really think that he should reappear in the sequel. I honestly think that there was something going for Mr. Captain.
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Axiose · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject:

It really does depend how Ted used the Souleater.

Gameplay purposes you can use it as much as you like - as you can use the Rune of Punishment as much as you like, but for story purposes Ted only used the Rune to destroy the Queen Ant. Using the Rune in the Island Nations for gameplay wouldn't brought any attention to anyone. Now if he used it for story purposes (I can't remember that he did) perhaps it would be a different story.
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Wataru · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject:

Exile · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject:

I don't think the fog ship captain was killed Waturu, I think he was actually banished back to whence he came or something like that, I'm sure someone with a better memory than me can confirm that for you.
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Starslasher · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject:

Coincidentally, i was re-recruiting Ted in the New Game +. Wataru is right, the Souleater consumed the Fog Ship Captain.

But it doesn't rule out the possibility of another one like him coming. Leknaat made a request to Mr. Captain to return to his home, the City of Eternity, along with his brethren. So there may be another person/thing like him reemerging, and may also be searching for True Runes to keep.

Urn · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject:

That entity that was absorbed by the Soul Eater was only a magical illusion. The Fog Ship Captain was not a true being but something conjured by an actual living being. So, the entity known as the Fog Ship Guide was destroyed, but the true being which summoned, or conjured, it is still alive and well.
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Beecham · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:

Exile · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:

It actually does say that in the game I think Harukaze. I have something stuck in my head that says it didn't kill him and it won't go away no matter if I'm told otherwise.
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Urn · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:07 am Post subject:

Actually, Ted is the one who states this after the group encounters the Fog Ship Guide. He mentions that the Guide is simply a form created by magic and present there due to the wishes of something else. He or Leknaat mention that the form was nothing of real substance. I can't pinpoint the exact quote, but it should be somewhere within that point.
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Axiose · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject:

Interesting - though this backs up my point that Windy probably didn't know about Ted's location in Scarlet Moon.

However, it does bring up an interesting point about Leknaat. She met Ted with the others in the Magicians Tower. She knew who Ted was, and knew Windy was in Gregminster. Why not say

"Erm, yeah...don't think you should really be going back. Windy's there. Remember. Psychotic witch who burned your village?"

"Oooh Windy."

Unless! Leknaat could see that Ted needed to die, or was fated to die, and did not want to argue with the balance.

But I cannot see Tir's fourth level spell having any impact on the story of Suikoden I or II - I suppose it always could have a future impact on further games, but I doubt it.
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Beecham · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject:

Windy destroyed his village after she and Leknaat parted ways. Would, necessarily, Leknaat have known about this in order to warn him?

If she did, I agree with your idea that she saw he needed or was fated to die. I'm just not sure she does know.

As for Tir's fourth level spell... that's Judgment, yes? Interesting name, in context. But no, I don't think he used it in the story anywhere, except in a special case when recruiting him in Suikoden II. I'm not sure if that counts, though.

Axiose · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't have thought so really, as it was a sidequest that had no further effect on the story.

Also, Leknaat probably did know about Windy's exploits. It happened 300 years ago which news should have slowly gotten its way to Leknaat.

I would think Leknaat did try and keep tabs on Windy as much as possible. She is the Executor of Balance, and Windy would seem to get in the way of that, especially if she got hold of the Souleater.

Either way, Leknaat knew Ted had the Souleater. Leknaat knew Windy was in Gregminster. I believe Leknaat knew Windy was after the Souleater.

She must have known Windy was after destructive True Runes at least by the time she met Ted again.
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Wataru · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject:

Leknaat sees destiny and how it will unfold. Destiny in the games seems to be a big Boo Radley in my mind ... a conept often talked about and made into the great big boogey man of the universe but rarely seen. I took it as Leknaat seeing that it was Ted's destiny to die and Tir's destiny to take up the Soul Eater. Tir would not have become the man he was without it. It was not Ted's gathering this time and since he was not a star anymore he has to follow his destiny, even if it meant dying.
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