Suikoden III Manga Discussion

[Axiose]

Well, after reading book 6 of the manga, I'm left with quite a few mixed feelings. Ignoring some of the errors in the information at the end of the book (where it states that Scarlet Moon Empire gained it's independence from Harmonia during the Gate Rune Wars in Suikoden I) the book seems to be differing from the main plot of Suikoden III.

Mainly, Luc states at the end that he is doing all this to create a world of Order. From Luc's logic - death brings order. He strives for a world of death's order. From death comes nothing. He strives for a world of nothingness.

A bit of an odd way to describe killing yourself. A world of nothingness. So I don't think he's talking internally. In Suikoden III the game, Luc wanted to destroy his rune so that the world of Order never came about and humanity was free from the True Runes' influence - whether that's possible or not is up for grabs. Also, oddly enough, in book 5 (I think) Yuber states that he is fighting on the side of Chaos - which contradicts Luc in book 6.

Something a little nice was seeing Luc by the Tablet of Destiny at the end of the book. Bit of a hint as to perhaps where it came from and who updates it. Shows more a human side to Luc in Suikoden III if it is indeed him.
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[Axiose] [Fliktor]

[Himuro]

I recently read book 6 and I never really considered those things, but you make some good points. I never thought at those things. o_O In fact, I don't' even remember them saying that.

[Sage]

Quite interesting I'd say. It seems like the game and manga are polar opposites in the end. I'm actually ignorant of the manga so is there any word as to which is "officially" right?
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[John Layfield]

The manga is technically, officially, non-canon in it's entirity. Only the Suikoden games carry any sort of canon-weight whatsoever according to Konami. This also excludes the Suikoden I and II novels but not things revealed in the newsletters or Suikoden Encyclopedia, they are also canon. Konami are very erratic in regards to what is and isn't canon in terms of Suikoden.
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[Axiose]

Perhaps it is a poor translation error - it just seems quite long running for a translation error.
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[Axiose] [Fliktor]

[Admiral Ackbar]

Probably a translation error, yes. They also spelled Crowely's name wrong (as Krowlie) in one of the issues. When YUber says he's allied with Chaos, that is because he bears a True Rune that is based on chaos.

The manga is basically an easier to understand version of the game.
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[Axiose]

Well thinking about it again, Luc could be bluffing about his intentions to Jimba, though I see no logical reason why he would at bother to lie to a man he's about to kill.
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[Axiose] [Fliktor]

[Genome Soldier]

I own the first six mangas myself...and I agree with those who said it could be a poor translation error.

[Arenegeth]

I know there up to 9 volumes in Japan right now, do you know if more will be made, and I guess Sars would know if they are translation errors he read the Japanese versions first. (I'm guessing)
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[Keriaku]

For anyone that cares, I'm pretty sure the 7th volume is coming something around July 19th (Somewhere around that) Or atleast that's what my local comic book shop said.
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[Thief]

I have seen sites saying that it would go up to only 10, but I somehow doubt it. After they missed the 7-volume deadline AND not remotely anywhere near the end yet, rushing the ending would be bad. I'd at least like to see more detailed character endings than a basic list of stuff that you get at the end of the actual game.

The mistranslation of Crowley's name couldn't be helped. I wouldn't doubt that even if the translation team had gone through the game once, they don't memorise every single thing as well as some of us here do. Not to mention that transliteration of names back and forth between different languages is a tricky business. You will always find some other bilinguals who wouldn't agree with your choice of romanisations. And, consistency is a frustrating issue. Unless they get a dedicated fact checker that can access all necessary materials (even Konami doesn't do well at that), some intergrity will be lost in translation.

No comments about the Order/Chaos confusion. I'm pretty upset with bizarre presentation of these concepts in the game and this supposedly mistranslation isn't making it any better. (At least we are happy that they didn't use "Dharma", correct?)

As for canonical status of the manga, I honestly don't care anymore. I take everything presented in the game as the better style of storytelling. If it directly conflicts with fully fleshed out in-game materials, then I'd stick to the main game. Else, events like the Dragon Knights helping out Hugo were much more preferred over them being mere random recruitables that made you chase around a little girl (or something random chores like that).

It's upsetting that when we finally get something else from the series, and we're forced to regard them as non-canon. Maybe they shouldn't bother localising it like the Gaiden games, and we'd be a happier bunch.

By the way, didn't a Suikosource staff contacted and worked closely with Tokyopop as a pseudo-QC earlier?

[Axiose]

HowlingGuild/Udi Hoh (Editor-In-Chief of Suikosource) helped with translation, but apparently, the last few volumes never actually made it to her, and/or some of the volumes were in such a delay that when they finally made it to her, she was rushed to check for translation errors.

However, I'm sure Sars or KoRnholio could confirm this better than me.
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[KoRnholio]

Hmm, yeah. Throughout the projects existence, our editor-in-chief has been a 'fact-checker' for the mangas, but the main problem is that they don't give her enough time between the draft sent to her and when its due. Apparently Tokyopop isn't very punctual with that, and so she isn't able to fact-and-translation-check as much as she'd like to. Basically what Fliktor said.

At one point, for one issue, she said they sent it to her on time, but that was one issue (er....volume), maybe volume 3 or 4. I think since then they've reverted back to their old habits. I didn't hear anything about her not receiving some of the later ones, but I haven't heard ANYTHING about the project for at least a few months. She keeps to herself for the most part.

I think its kind of sad that the unreliability of Tokyopop ends up tacking the Suikosource name onto a rushed product.

[Rheo]

On the last page of Volume 8, the artist said there were only 2 more volumes... I hope it would be more than 10 volumes too, please don't rush the ending ;_;

[Axiose]

Still, they are quite large translation errors. Especially the one involving Luc and Choas/Order.

In the Chinese version it states that Luc is trying to save the world from falling into complete order whereas in the English version he states he's trying to make the world fall into order.
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