relatioships in suikoden

Samuel Iaydhen · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: relatioships in suikoden

i think the 'love stories' in suikoden shouldn't be taken too seriously. . i mean it is just some spice to the game. but that doesn't mean that the story should revolve around it. like i know everyone is anxious about this mysterious ex husband of apple but it is really no big deal in the story. for me the most interesting part of suikoden is light romance like rina flirting with flik and having this 'adult' conversation with a highland souldier. for me that's what makes the game so fun. . . :P

(by the way i don't think flik and viktor are gay. flik just can't get over odessa that's why he remained single. as for viktor; who would fall for his looks anyway?)

Gaius Abruscato · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:10 am Post subject:

I like the fact that most romance in the suikoden world is often incredibly subtle, and that you can either agree with it, or ignore it. You can couple together whoever you want to see as a couple, because the story usually just doesn't go into it. Even when there is a very definate coupleing, nine times out of ten it's not fully explained an no one knows for certain whether it's true or not.
This is of course, all excepting a few absolute couples, Like Flik and Odessa, Freed and Yoshino, and couples like that, which are intertwined in the plot.

The person who plays the game can decide who they like to see together, though, and that gives the game a nicely personal flavor. (much as the nameless hero, and freedom to build the castle and/or recruit people theme does.) The game offers so much for everyone to discover or think about for themselves! If people want to focus on, "I wonder who this rumored wife/husband of *Blank* is!" They can. Or, if they want to say "I think romance is boring. I'm glad suikoden doesn't have much" They can. Or, yes, even if they want to say "I think Vic and Flik are gay and a couple" They can say that too.

Aurelien · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject:

I think some of the romance should be taken seriously, though might not be *that* seriously. I mean, an example like the "Eilie having a crush on Riou" is indeed an indication by Konami to show that Eilie had a crush on Riou. So if anyone said that Eilie liked Futch instead, they could, but it wouldn't really make sense.

To me, I don't really enjoy people coupling characters freely with no basis at all. I would prefer people to couple the characters if they have some hints that would support it. Coupling characters without any basis could annoy me if those who believed it insisted about it as if it is a fact, which we know it wasn't. I would prefer to consider the characters without any specific hint about crush/love as simply in love (if ever) with normal civillians and not with any particular named-character in the game. So characters like Sid, Sansuke, Adlai, etc would fall into this category for me rather than considering them to be falling in love with particular female characters in the game.

The tricky part is the homosexual coupling, may it be male-male or female-female, because those who believe it most likely based it on the close relationship between the two characters (example: Rina-Eilie, Fliktor, Seed-Culgan, Miklotov-Camus, etc) which IMO were only meant to be friends. I'm not against homosexuals, but I don't think it's really fair to consider a character to be homosexual when there was no intention by the creator to make them a homosexual. If there were any intention by Konami to create one (or more) homosexual character(s), I think they would make it clear that x is homosexual or at the least, give very strong hints about it. And so far, to me, no such homosexual couple yet.
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Excalibur1027 · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject:

I agree. Most every RPG out there nowadays has that horrible cliche romance in it between the hero and their friend. That's why I like Suikoden so much, most of the time everything in the game is all up tp opinion and you can decide what you want to beleive is the truth.

However, even though romance isn't usually a main part of the story in Suikoden, Konami proved that it could work in S3 with Luc and Sarah. Sure it wasn't that important to the story, but it was the closest it's been so far. (Though I guess you could count Flik/Odessa and Jowy/Jillia too, but Odessa wasn't really in the game for that long. And you hardly saw Jillia that much either.)
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Shrew · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject:

Romance has played important roles in Suikoden. If not for Barbarossa's feelings toward Windy there really wouldn't have been much of a Suikoden I.

It is true that romance in Suikoden is relatively lowkey. Since the series uses silent main characters there is not as much emphasis on romantic interaction between the character and others as a major plot point, ala Final Fantasy VIII.

But romance is important in developing the characters of Suikoden. Flik changes because of his relationship with Odessa, Hix decides to fight for Tengaar, etc. While it is trivial, Apple's relationship with her ex-husband would serve to give insight into her character. It is this broad array of relationships that helps to give the Suikoden characters depth and meaning.
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Sophita · Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: relatioships in suikoden

Seiferalmasy1930 · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:23 am Post subject:

Well , it can't be helped . I mean video games sometimes can bring a player to an emotional state where he also would want to assimilate into the feelings of the character he controls . But of course , whether he can draw the line for a reference to moderate his feelings is another .
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Kira Yamato · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:13 am Post subject:

I would have loved to see Eilie admit to Riou that she loves him. Now that would be adorable. I wish Suikoden 2 was remade.
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Child of The Sea God · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:29 am Post subject:

percival + chris?
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Midori · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: relatioships in suikoden

Erinyes · Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:

Yes they are fun

I don't know why people like Eilee x Riou...what's Eilee's personality that perfectly matches Riou?

Anyhow, the couples I want are:

Sierra x Tir :Tir has no exact personality and had been showed many times Kasumi liked Tir but Tir simply had appriciated this concern (similar to Gaiden). He usually is carefree and curious yet stubborn but after the war, he turned out to be quite and unusual with the True Rune. Sierra had been through this as for being a vampire and met worse things but look, she could still smile.

Konami had mentioned that they really had planned for a Sierra x Nash but anyway, these are our claims ^^

Back to the couple...it would be good if this saddened boy is with this girl who had overcomed this pain and it would be nice for Sierra to know someone is like her and is currently going through what she had felt....

Riou x Wakaba/Millie : Riou is a lazy bum =O it would be fun to have someone active and noisy....and never-gives-up (likely Wakaba) partner. Not Nanami though...she could be angsty. Anyhow, Futch does fit Millie though :)

Jowy x Ayda : a burst came out my thoughts and this appeared....Ayda is very strong about her intentions and she's very wise . She may had her dreams shattered once and she is an idealist about the forest like the way Jowy expressed his during the war....
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sybillious · Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:31 pm Post subject:

i have to agree; viktor is a 'manly' man, something that appeals to me more than any pretty boy *see geddoe.* while i do find some of the pretty boys appealing, they don't distract me from manly guys, when games have them, unfortunately, most games tend to favor girly boys as characters.
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MMan9000 · Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:

I know I am probably the only one that would think this, but it would be a nice addition to Suikoden if you could actually have some females that you could try to romance with. You could get an ending with one of them, or an ending by yourself, sortof like Fire Emblem...
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