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But shouldn't it be the other way around in order for it to be called a console? "It plays games and can even act as a media cenre/blu-ray player/dvd player/stream music/video too!" It's marketed that way, but if it's not used that way, then I think Sony's marketing is off. |
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: | |
Interesting stuff, for sure. If they somehow find a way to implement this in a number of games, it could definitely give the PS3 a leg up in sales over its competitors. I'd be interested to play a game in 3D that's for certain. |
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: | |
As a gamer I would be all for it. Now, to play devil's advocate...will it be adopted anytime soon by developers who will probably have to decide whether to license the RealD 3D to add this particular goodness to games. I'm all for leaps in innovation in my gaming, but we're now seeing that while gamers and the tech-heads are praising CELL and Blu-Ray it sure hasn't fully translated into profits for Sony the way they were expecting it to.
This brings up the conundrum of trying to innovate in the gaming industry. Spend too little time and money trying to innovate and one's product stagnates and falls behind the pack, but spend too much time and money on it and a company loses its focus and forgets that too much too soon is not always a good thing. If this piece of innovation does make it to the PS3 I'd rather see it later than sooner. Sony has been touting the PS3 lifespan in terms of a decade instead of just 5-7 years. Why rush something that will require a peripheral that not everyone will be sold on (meaning gamers will be the heavy adopters) and one that may just hinder Sony's attempt to make the PS3 as something affordable in these tough economic times and also something that appeals not just to the hardcore but the rest of the consumer public. EDIT: Here's a very insightful article about why Sony's PS3 and its less than stellar sales puts that company in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation: [url=http://news.cnet.com/why-sony-needs-to-but-cant-drop-t he-price-of-the-ps3/?tag=mncol;txt:3oqripip]Why Sony needs to (but can't) drop the price of the PS3[/url:3oqripip]. _________________ |
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: | |
I think there's no longer a debate that the PS3 has the better hardware, but it's a double-edged sword. It takes developers longer to program for it since it's unfamiliar terrain, and so there are less games available on the system (that, or most multi-console games are developed for 360 or PC then ported over to PS3, and it doesn't look as great). Historically, though, the system with the better hardware is never the one that does the best in sales.
In terms of the console wars, I think it's unfair to point at sales as the deciding indicator. The last sales stats I saw said the 360 is out-selling the PS3 by almost 2:1. But I wonder how many of those 360 sales are people purchasing a 2nd or 3rd system to replace a broken one? Just wondering. And the Wii is destroying everything, but that doesn't really count to me. The Wii is, and always has been, a gimmick for Nintendo. One look at the titles for it shows how much garbage is produced for the Wii simply because it takes 10 people to program it and costs nothing for the company to make. Then the games are sold for $39.99 or something, and Nintendo makes bank if just a fraction of the games are sold. If you are a gamer, you can't possibly choose the Wii above the PS3 or 360 and still be taken seriously. The Wii is the system that a PS3/360 owner will buy as a secondary system -- the party system. But recent stats are showing the Wii isn't doing so hot any more now that most of the people who wanted one have one, and I can sense a bit of desperation. I wouldn't be shocked if a price drop came sometime this year, but I digress from the topic... For me, though, and for the majority of gamers I think, the success of a system should be determined by the games available for it. And there is no question in my mind which system has the better games. The PS3 since it was first released (which was far earlier than Sony wanted, hence the lack of titles ready at launch), the main positive spin for it was about "looking ahead to the games coming out for it". I've heard it referred to as the DelayStation and other such things since the games take forever to come out and that it didn't have much in terms of 1st party titles for a while. Well, anyone who is keeping up on the modern climate of gaming should look at the PS3 as having incredible upside. They've already released two 1st party games this year that are probably better than the majority of 360 1st party titles out there: Killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. And this fall they're set to release some more exclusives like Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time, and M.A.G. to name a few. For 2010, you have some AMAZING looking games coming out like Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, and The Last Guardian, as well as the release of long-awaited titles Final Fantasy XIII and God of War 3. Now, if you needed an argument on why you should buy a PS3, it's hard to look at that line-up and not get excited. What does the 360 have coming out in the next year? Left 4 Dead 2, Forza 3, Crackdown 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo ODST, Halo: Reach, and Splinter Cell: Conviction. I'm not going to bash any of these titles because I liked Mass Effect and Splinter Cell has been a good series, but where are the IP's? Where are the fresh ideas? What games are coming out that can possibly contend with the likes of God of War 3? For the past two years, the 360 has been earning praise at E3, largely because of their ability to snipe formerly exclusive franchises from Sony (Final Fantasy XIII a year ago and Metal Gear Solid: Rising this year). If the biggest announcement your system can make is that it has stolen another franchise from Sony and that a 6th Halo game is coming out, why should I be optimistic about the future of the franchise? I'm a very happy PS3 owner -- I bought the Metal Gear bundle a year ago, and even though it was painful for me to swipe my card for $499 + tax, it's ended up being the best investment I've ever made. I'd be more worried if I was a 360 owner, to tell the truth. And no, the rumors of Fable 3 wouldn't alleviate my worry. To settle another argument: the 360 is NOT better than the PS3 when it comes to RPGs. ALL PS3's are able to play PS1 games, so you have to automatically include EVERY PS1 game into the PS3's library. To ignore this fact is to ignore one of the biggest benefits of having a PS3: unlimited internal memory cards. And when you add Final Fantasy VII to the PS3's catalog of games, it instantly defeats the 360 single-handedly. Argument over. (But if you needed another argument, I would argue that although the 360 has MORE RPG's, that doesn't equal better. Aside from Mass Effect and Fable 2 -- neither of which is a traditional RPG anyway -- almost every RPG released on the 360 in the past year has been garbage: Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean. In fact, Last Remnant and another RPG, Tales of Vesperia, are coming to PS3 this year supposedly, so those will no longer be exclusive. And with Bioware making Dragon Age Origins their first multi-console title, I would not be surprised in the least if Mass Effect 2 wound up on PS3 as well, even if it is a port. The PS3 with Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles alone is kind of barren, but more games will soon be on the way.) There, that's my rant for the day. Long live the PS3!! _________________ ~~Harmonian Tenhei Star~~ It's hard to bargle naudle zauss with all these marbles in my mouth. |
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: | |
I've been using my PS3 a lot more for gaming then when I originally wrote my post.
I still use it for media streaming and all that other cool stuff... I can also see myself using it even more as time goes on as there are a large amount of games I want. _________________ ______ "We're still flying" ___ "That's not much" "It's enough" |
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: | |
[quote="Noot":27p3iysz]If you are a gamer, you can't possibly choose the Wii above the PS3 or 360 and still be taken seriously. The Wii is the system that a PS3/360 owner will buy as a secondary system -- the party system. But recent stats are showing the Wii isn't doing so hot any more now that most of the people who wanted one have one, and I can sense a bit of desperation. I wouldn't be shocked if a price drop came sometime this year, but I digress from the topic... |
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |||
If there was still 'gameplay' in games like Metal gear Solid (where it's not all 80% movie clip) or press 'A' to duck a attack or change a action in a cut scene then I would have considered buying a next gen console. From my point of view the graphics have got a lot better but the new approcah to gameplay is no longer there. I know GTA4 is a great game but it dosen't appeal to me, with exception to other features, the doing missions in a linear direction is still there. If the consoles were cheaper then perhaps i would get it rather then seeing it played at work (paitents/service users at the hospital play them)
I have tried the wii at my friend's though and it is a work of art, it manages to reinvent gameplay, granted the wii has brought in the trend of 'mini games' but it has made the game more fun to play co-op then with other consoles. However, the style of gaming overall has remained unchanged and i just have no intrest in it, the problem with so many games being cutscene driven and that needs to change. Only the wii is something I'm tempted to buy but espacilly in this economic climate the currant next gen consoles are not worth the selling price and of the lack of innovation in gameplay as well.
I disagree with this being a major benefit, it's more of a minor gimmick, you don't spend nearly $500 worth just so you can replay PS1 games, you expect more out of a console then just to offer a token of nostalga and if that was the main intended benefit then people are better off buying a PS1 off ebay with games included. Of course with the high modern appeal of new games, just how many actually replay the old games? |
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |
[quote="Korgeta":q4yvraw6]If there was still 'gameplay' in games like Metal gear Solid (where it's not all 80% movie clip) or press 'A' to duck a attack or change a action in a cut scene then I would have considered buying a next gen console. From my point of view the graphics have got a lot better but the new approcah to gameplay is no longer there. I know GTA4 is a great game but it dosen't appeal to me, with exception to other features, the doing missions in a linear direction is still there. If the consoles were cheaper then perhaps i would get it rather then seeing it played at work (paitents/service users at the hospital play them)
I have tried the wii at my friend's though and it is a work of art, it manages to reinvent gameplay, granted the wii has brought in the trend of 'mini games' but it has made the game more fun to play co-op then with other consoles. However, the style of gaming overall has remained unchanged and i just have no intrest in it, the problem with so many games being cutscene driven and that needs to change. Only the wii is something I'm tempted to buy but espacilly in this economic climate the currant next gen consoles are not worth the selling price and of the lack of innovation in gameplay as well. I disagree with this being a major benefit, it's more of a minor gimmick, you don't spend nearly $500 worth just so you can replay PS1 games, you expect more out of a console then just to offer a token of nostalga and if that was the main intended benefit then people are better off buying a PS1 off ebay with games included. Of course with the high modern appeal of new games, just how many actually replay the old games? |
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |||
[quote="Korgeta":2cu8l7aj]
I disagree with this being a major benefit, it's more of a minor gimmick, you don't spend nearly $500 worth just so you can replay PS1 games, you expect more out of a console then just to offer a token of nostalga and if that was the main intended benefit then people are better off buying a PS1 off ebay with games included. Of course with the high modern appeal of new games, just how many actually replay the old games? |
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |
[quote="Noot":1agvgi3j]I think there's no longer a debate that the PS3 has the better hardware, but it's a double-edged sword. It takes developers longer to program for it since it's unfamiliar terrain, and so there are less games available on the system (that, or most multi-console games are developed for 360 or PC then ported over to PS3, and it doesn't look as great). Historically, though, the system with the better hardware is never the one that does the best in sales.
In terms of the console wars, I think it's unfair to point at sales as the deciding indicator. The last sales stats I saw said the 360 is out-selling the PS3 by almost 2:1. But I wonder how many of those 360 sales are people purchasing a 2nd or 3rd system to replace a broken one? Just wondering. And the Wii is destroying everything, but that doesn't really count to me. The Wii is, and always has been, a gimmick for Nintendo. One look at the titles for it shows how much garbage is produced for the Wii simply because it takes 10 people to program it and costs nothing for the company to make. Then the games are sold for $39.99 or something, and Nintendo makes bank if just a fraction of the games are sold. If you are a gamer, you can't possibly choose the Wii above the PS3 or 360 and still be taken seriously. The Wii is the system that a PS3/360 owner will buy as a secondary system -- the party system. But recent stats are showing the Wii isn't doing so hot any more now that most of the people who wanted one have one, and I can sense a bit of desperation. I wouldn't be shocked if a price drop came sometime this year, but I digress from the topic... For me, though, and for the majority of gamers I think, the success of a system should be determined by the games available for it. And there is no question in my mind which system has the better games. The PS3 since it was first released (which was far earlier than Sony wanted, hence the lack of titles ready at launch), the main positive spin for it was about "looking ahead to the games coming out for it". I've heard it referred to as the DelayStation and other such things since the games take forever to come out and that it didn't have much in terms of 1st party titles for a while. Well, anyone who is keeping up on the modern climate of gaming should look at the PS3 as having incredible upside. They've already released two 1st party games this year that are probably better than the majority of 360 1st party titles out there: Killzone 2 and inFAMOUS. And this fall they're set to release some more exclusives like Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time, and M.A.G. to name a few. For 2010, you have some AMAZING looking games coming out like Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, and The Last Guardian, as well as the release of long-awaited titles Final Fantasy XIII and God of War 3. Now, if you needed an argument on why you should buy a PS3, it's hard to look at that line-up and not get excited. What does the 360 have coming out in the next year? Left 4 Dead 2, Forza 3, Crackdown 2, Mass Effect 2, Halo ODST, Halo: Reach, and Splinter Cell: Conviction. I'm not going to bash any of these titles because I liked Mass Effect and Splinter Cell has been a good series, but where are the IP's? Where are the fresh ideas? What games are coming out that can possibly contend with the likes of God of War 3? For the past two years, the 360 has been earning praise at E3, largely because of their ability to snipe formerly exclusive franchises from Sony (Final Fantasy XIII a year ago and Metal Gear Solid: Rising this year). If the biggest announcement your system can make is that it has stolen another franchise from Sony and that a 6th Halo game is coming out, why should I be optimistic about the future of the franchise? I'm a very happy PS3 owner -- I bought the Metal Gear bundle a year ago, and even though it was painful for me to swipe my card for $499 + tax, it's ended up being the best investment I've ever made. I'd be more worried if I was a 360 owner, to tell the truth. And no, the rumors of Fable 3 wouldn't alleviate my worry. To settle another argument: the 360 is NOT better than the PS3 when it comes to RPGs. ALL PS3's are able to play PS1 games, so you have to automatically include EVERY PS1 game into the PS3's library. To ignore this fact is to ignore one of the biggest benefits of having a PS3: unlimited internal memory cards. And when you add Final Fantasy VII to the PS3's catalog of games, it instantly defeats the 360 single-handedly. Argument over. (But if you needed another argument, I would argue that although the 360 has MORE RPG's, that doesn't equal better. Aside from Mass Effect and Fable 2 -- neither of which is a traditional RPG anyway -- almost every RPG released on the 360 in the past year has been garbage: Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean. In fact, Last Remnant and another RPG, Tales of Vesperia, are coming to PS3 this year supposedly, so those will no longer be exclusive. And with Bioware making Dragon Age Origins their first multi-console title, I would not be surprised in the least if Mass Effect 2 wound up on PS3 as well, even if it is a port. The PS3 with Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles alone is kind of barren, but more games will soon be on the way.) There, that's my rant for the day. Long live the PS3!! |
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: | |
I have to agree, I don't think it's a sinking ship either, it's only a matter of time before it has alot more games come out for it, I suppose it does'nt have as much games out as the Wii or Xbox 360 does yet but in terms of quality and greater gaming experience I say the PS3 is the leading console of it's generation, Only thing I don't like is having to upgrade the HDD I am running on a 20gb and I'm in need of upgrading some it gets annoying having to delete utility data from the games you already beated when you buy a new game. |
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |
[quote="stephencolbert5":3u52sgm7]As far as the PS3 being a sinking ship for Sony's gaming console department, I don't think it is. I actually think the PS2 is what did this. They had a tremendous upperhand after the first Playstation and blew it big by making millions of defective products and violating court order after court order. They can pass the defect off as a blunder, but repeatedly violating the court orders was both intentional and criminal. I simply don't see them ever regaining sufficient consumer confidence after that. |
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Is the PS3 a sinking ship for Sony? | |
[quote="TruePerception":a8krpa8x]Wait, what's this? I don't remember ever hearing of court orders and defective products in regards to the PS2! Are you sure your not confusing it with XBOX 360? |
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