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What's your political allignment?
Radical left
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Far left
13%
 13%  [ 5 ]
Leftist
24%
 24%  [ 9 ]
Centrist
27%
 27%  [ 10 ]
Right Winged
21%
 21%  [ 8 ]
far right
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Extreme right
8%
 8%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Political Allignment Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Ok guys, I got this idea from a friend of mine in other forum, now let me get you brief explanation about each of them :

Radical Left
Favours the labour over buisness. Often seeks social change at the cost of the stability of the state. More about Equality at this point than freedom or order. An example of a Radical Left ideology would be Communism. A example of a Government that was Radical Left was the Republic of France under the Jacobins.

Far Left
Still Favours the labour of a country and often seeks progressive social change, but not strongly enough to jepordise the citizens of the state. Favours Equality most, but has another virtue like Freedom held dearly as well. An example of a Far Left ideology would be Socialism. An example of a Far Left Government would be the Modern Swedish Government.

Leftist
Supports the labour, and tries to legistrait change that benefits the underdogs in society. Has a strong social concience. Although all three of the major national values are closely in check, Equality is the majority leader. An Ideology that could be considered Leftist is Social Democracy. An example of a Leftist Government would be the USA under FDR.

Centrist
Seeks to make a government work through a series of comprimises which makes it the most appealing to the majority of people. It maintains a social concience while trying to maintain fincial responsibility. Of all the nation Values, This tolerant view emphasizes Freedom over Equality or Order. An example of a Centrist Ideology is Liberalism. An example of a Centrist government would be the Swiss.

Right Winged
Favours the established powers that be over the people. Tries to maintain the status quo in all fields and achieve fiscal responsibility. Order is the virtue of this system but still values Freedom. An example of a Right Winged Ideology would be Conservatism. An example of a Right Winged Government would be Victorian Great Britian.

Far Right
Tips the power to benefit the corperations. Tries to turn back Social policies, and cuts government spending in favour of creating surpluses. Clearly favours Order out of the three National Values. An example of a Far Right Ideology is Reactionary Politics. An Example of a Far Right Government would be the USA under George W. Bush.

Extreme Right
Places the power of the state first, Corperations Second, And people last. Is often oppressive and abusive to its inhabitants. Order is paramount to this society and is often inforced with Police or Military Forces. An example of a Extreme Right Ideology is Fascism. An example of an Extreme Right Government is Italy under Mussolini

As for me, I'm a leftist.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I guess you could say I'm a centrist, but I don't like to be pigeon-holed into any political category. Basically, I am a free thinker. I vote not based on politics, because most politics are spoon-fed (just what the public wants to hear), and they change over time. I judge based upon that candidate's true demeanor, because that is something that doesn't change often. I look at the person and I ask myself, "Is this person someone who will not back down from what they feel is right, yet flexible enough to listen and consider both sides of the argument? Will this person choose the best course of action for helping the people, or will he just help himself?"

That's just my way of voting, and how I decide.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The issue I take with your labels is that they don't really work too well in America because the labels imply that the right prefers a more intrusive government when in fact it is generally the opposite...but I have no problem with creating labels because even though we may not fit in them perfectly, they are still useful.

That being said, I'm more of a Far Right member, people would define me as a Neo-Con...

Oh, and I accidently put "Extreme Right" when I voted, sorry. Didn't mean to throw off the results.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm a leftie, and I hope these descriptions help to educate a few people at least as to what lefties are.

In the U.S. election we were so demonized by the president and the right wingers, as if it was something bad to be on the left. I for the life of me cannot see how fighting for the people over money grubbing corperations is bad. but eh, believe what you will.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Damn lefties, smoking pot in their hippy communes. You probably dodged the Vietnam draft as well. :wink:

I'm a Centrist, and leaning more towards Leftism that Rightism, that's for sure. So, smack my bottom and call me Liberal Scum!

(As you can tell, I don't take labels very seriously, despite their usefullness in distilling individual beliefs into several cookie-cut options for our ease.)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Actually I found the example political structures very helpful. Technically I'm conservative according to several online quizes [which for most people are accurate, but they fail to weigh the personal -importance- of each factor, and I happen to be conservative on more topics, just less adamantly so], but I consider myself liberal overall. Given the examples of governments provided, FDR's America is definately the one I would prefer to live in.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

None of these catagories fit my ideals. I'm a fiscal conservative with leftist leanings when it comes to foreign policy and social programs. However, concerning certain social issues, I would be more to the right. I wouldn't call myself a "centrist" at all though, because my belief in a smaller government is way too strong. In the USA, the federal government should only have an ancillary role. The states should have greater say in all other areas, including military and foreign policy. The states should have greater autonomy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm part of a mostly dead breed. I'm American, and I would consider myself to be a conservative Democrat, which probably doesn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people. I clicked right-wing, but I'm not really much for the Victorian-era in Great Britain. I also think that George W. Bush is not the best man for the American Presidency, but again... I did choose him over extreme liberal, John Kerry.

To put it straight, I'm almost totally against Republican economic ideology. To put it blunt, I think Capitalism sucks, and will only result in that which the brilliant philosopher, Karl Marx predicted. Far too many people are left without health care, and far too many Americans are living on minimum-wage incomes, while corporate CEOs make tens of millions of dollars a year. That's capitalism for you. The disparity between rich and poor will continue to grow, inflation will push the working class into poverty, and the rich will continue to be apathetic, unless American culture undergoes a drastic change.

Of course, I can't say I'm all too keen on all these leftist social issues. I believe in equal treatment for all, but I think all these "equalizing" programs in America really need to be re-examined and re-structured. I'm agianst Affirmative Action, Abortion, & welfare programs.

Call this insane, if you will, but I'm all for a national draft. I also believe that ALL Americans should be forced to serve in the military for two years (17-19). However, I don't believe that our military should be deployed in areas that only gain the ire of the rest of the world. I'm talking about removing troops from Saudi Arabia, Germany, and the middle east at large. I'm kinda' split on that whole Iraq thing, as Saddam was a horrible man, but I don't think America invading Iraq was probably the best thing to do in that scenario. Also, dropping bombs all over Baghdad doesn't make us look like "the land of the free & the home of the brave" to the rest of the world. All it did was mostly kill innocent Iraqis, and now we wonder why the insurgents are so adamant about us being there... Hmmm...

Clinton didn't help (all he ever did with Iraq is just say "drop bombs" when Saddam wouldn't co-operate), and Bush Jr didn't help either. Bush Sr. messed up by lying to the Iraqis who tried to overthrow Saddam after Desert Storm. I think leaders like he and JFK (who lied to Cuban nationalists) should be impeached and imprisoned for those kinds of actions.

As for what I DO believe the American military ought to be doing, is patrolling America itself. I mean, come on! We're BY FAR one of the most violent nations in the world. I think almost as many people get gunned down in the streets here, as some nations with civil wars going on! That's an exaggeration, but I do believe that an increased military presence on our streets would make most criminals and gangs think twice about their "gang wars" or "drug wars." I'm a firm believer in the PROPER utilization of the military. Why should we worry about trying to impose on a nation like Iraq, when so many people are getting killed on our own streets? It just doesn't make sense to me, and a whole lot of other Americans.

I'm a FIRM believer in a VERY strong central government. I think these past few years have shown that the states have been pretty inept when handling their own issues. Far too many have driven themselves into debt, and few seem to know what to do about it. I would like to see a greater centralized government.

I must say I'm quite opposed to your idea there, SARSadmin. I do NOT think the states should have ANY right to dictate military and foriegn policy. It just makes absolutely no sense to me. I just don't see the point in granting states greater autonomy. Call me crazy.

HOWEVER, I do think something needs to be done about all these corrupt politicians bought and payed for by corporations... I'm not sure what to do about it, short of armed rebellion, and I think it's obvious to all, that isn't a very viable option... Of course, we could vote them out, but just about every politician gets bought out by corporate interests or "special interest groups" in the long run... It's a real shame.

Oh well, sorry if I offended anyone here, it's not my intention, just stating how I feel about some things.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I personally hate to put a label on myself, but with that being said I consider myself to be a centralist. I am just as likely to be on one side of an issue as I am any other. I have taken at least two political compass quizes. Both of which placed me almost directly in the center of the compass.

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In the U.S. election we were so demonized by the president and the right wingers, as if it was something bad to be on the left.

I personally didn't notice the left being demonized. I suppose it might depend on what you watch and listen to.

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Call this insane, if you will, but I'm all for a national draft. I also believe that ALL Americans should be forced to serve in the military for two years (17-19).

I personally feel that this is an absolutely horrible idea. A soldier who has no desire to fight will be worth nothing. This will also end up causing so many psycologiccal problems. When soldiers return from conbat they almost always have some kind of mental problem. We don't want to force this on everyone in the nation.

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As for what I DO believe the American military ought to be doing, is patrolling America itself.

I personally do not agree with this. It just seems like such a waste for them to be doing the job of the police. Eventually they would have the exact same effect as the police have on the kind of activity that you have described. I do agree with you though that we need to pull some of our troops back.

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I'm a FIRM believer in a VERY strong central government.

I agree with you that we should have a central government. If the states are what are strong in the nation, we will end up with what happened when we were under the Articles of Confederation. I realize that this might be an extreme version, but I believe that if the states were given too much power they would end up taking more and more until they reached the point of how things were when we were under the Articles of Confederation.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I clicked Right Wing, basically because I'd consider myself a more liberal conservative. I hate taxes, but I think states should have more power than the central government. I hate John Kerry more than Bush, so I would have voted for the latter had I been old enough. As for any kind of spending, I think we should work for surpluses, lower taxes to raise spending, and cut government spending to slow spending down.

Unlike Sai, I'm completely against a draft of any kind.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I support Right-wing parties (like Our Ukraine, Homeland, etc.). Yet sometimes i am a bit nationalistic (mostly towards Russians). I support giving some freedom to all of our 26 oblasty (regions may be the word for this... Ukraine IS large :)), elections of the region leader (we call it 'gubernator'), extension of social payments, freedom of the press etc.

I also would like to get rid of ANY connection with Russia and go to EU and NATO. That's why I supported The Great Orange Revolution.

And yes, I hate left wing because of Soviet Union... they ruined everything!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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In the U.S. election we were so demonized by the president and the right wingers, as if it was something bad to be on the left. I for the life of me cannot see how fighting for the people over money grubbing corperations is bad. but eh, believe what you will.


People with differing political views tend to demonize each other. Liberals are just as at fault for this as conservatives are.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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but I don't think America invading Iraq was probably the best thing to do in that scenario. Also, dropping bombs all over Baghdad doesn't make us look like "the land of the free & the home of the brave" to the rest of the world. All it did was mostly kill innocent Iraqis, and now we wonder why the insurgents are so adamant about us being there...

Yeah... I've been think' about that. It is kind of ironic, isn't it? Kinda like how the U.S. of A. keeps saying stuff against the use of nuclear weapons but which nation has one of the largest (if not largest) stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? No offense to Americans or anything, but the US government has been quite the hypocrite... for quite some time now.

I voted Right Wing, by the way.

Politics have been quite a pain in the behind but despite this, it still catches my interest. The government over here (Republic of the Philippines) has been going down the drain with all the effing celebrities running for office. Though sure, some of them MAY have had good intent, but would they be capable enough to run the position? Highly unlikely. But those who ARE capable just go rotten like the rest of the tomatoes up there.

Sometimes, I think that what a nation needs is a 'good' dictator. 'Cause it gets difficult when it's the nation that refuses to help itself. But the chances of finding someone who won't go corrupt with all that power is VERY rare. We're all human, after all. But how nice it would be if there was someone like that.

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People with differing political views tend to demonize each other. Liberals are just as at fault for this as conservatives are.

True... When it comes to the demonizing of different parties, it's all the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I am most like a Green Party member. I believe the enviornment is more important than the economy. When I am old enough to vote, I will vote Green in cases where the Green Party has a chance of winning, but in cases where the Green Party has no chance of winning (such as the presidential elections), I'll vote Democrat almost every time. I admire Germany because they have a stronger enviornmental party.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Right-wing. I'm all for keeping order, but as far as keeping things the same, not exactly right. In the US, I agree that we need a strong central government, but I also think that they should mind their own business and let states run themselves the way that they want to and only step in when needed. The problem with that is when you give a person or group power, they tend to use it. That being said, some states (like Montana :( ) can't live without federal aid and intervention mostly because of small populations and/or weak economies. I'm definitely against a draft here in the US. I don't think I could kill anyone nor do I want to find out. And yes, the US government is hypocritical, but there's not much we can do about it.
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