Suikoden II- Clive's side quest

[Rincewind]

Has anyone ever pulled off this sideques before? It seems like you would have to rush job the game, and tap X to get through all the story real quick. My strategy guide says highland needs to be invading within 20 hours of game play. Just wondering if it's worth playing through really fast to do this.

[Goldy]

If this is your first playthrough then no its not worth it. Just enjoy the game and collect all the 108 Stars.
Then again if this isnt your first playthrough then by all means go ahead, its worth at least doing once.
I dont remember the steps for Clive's Quest exactly, but i am sure they are here on the site.

[sybillious]

you have a time limit on each one, this walkthrough gives you the info:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/suikoden_ii_clives_quest_a.txt

as goldmember said, enjoy a playthrough or two first, then worry about 'extras' like this; it will help you get used to where things are so travelling is easier for you.
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[Horned Loa]

Well......to answer your question, YES members did finish the Clive Subquest and yes, I am one of them. I've finished the subquest several times and my record time was in a little less than 14 hours where as the time limit is either 20 or 21 I believe. Not only did I finish the Clive Subquest but I collected all the 108 stars INCLUDING VALERIA, before Rockaxe and I had 4 Double-Beat runes from the beginning of the game with no dead characters and every single lost forever item up to that point.

I never bothered with the mini-games or random treasure chests such as the window sets or the statue pieces (unless they were lost forevers) because you come back to those later on anyways. I designed a good power party that strikes first and strikes fast. Double-Beat and Fury are good for this but you'd need some luck and the good old save/reset trick for the Fury runes early on. You cannot bother yourself with the little things such as arranging your characters for the mini battles or taking loads of preparation time for Luca (I lucked out and got Anita at level 99 though so I had no problems there). Simple quick and clean, I managed to finish the Clive Subquest and the rest of the game including getting every recipe and finishing all mini-games as well as boosting everyone to level 99 with level 16 weapons took me a further 4-6 hours.

The answer to your second question has already been given and I'll agree with the two that you should not attempt the Clive subquest on the first run and I myself wouldn't really try it up until at least the third time playing through......and even then I wouldn't expect to complete it. I got it on my fourth go I think, but I have played the game about 20 times now so I'm well aware of the story and can skip through a load of the text and challenge myself even more.

I don't see any further use for this thread really but I'll leave it open if anyone else has any questions or if someone wishes to discuss theories and tricks to the Clive Subquest that are not already in the well known guides.

[Noot]

I have nothing really to add except let me bow in your presence, Lord Bishop Fang! :shock:

I too completed the sidequest a couple times, but I didn't use the same strategy as my Lord Bishop. I didn't skip any texts, I usually talked to everyone in town, I took some time out to level up my party (the mines near Tinto was one of the best places to get to level 40 fast) and collected all 108 characters. Unfortunately I've never done the fury rune trick, but when I play the game again I'll give it a shot. I've also never gotten anyone to level 99, or maxed everyone's weapons (though I'm aware of the glitches that let you do that).

The sidequest isn't that hard, but it's important to get to the next checkpoints as soon as possible. For instance, before you do the Two Rivers sidequest, where you have to chase Chaco around, I just keep on going until I reach Forest Village. Later on when you try to get Matilda to join, bring Clive in your party to save you a trip (not having the Blinking Mirror hurts early on). It's important to not neglect your party when trying to run through the game for this side quest or you will have greater difficulty with the boss fights down the road.

It's probably better to be completely familiar with the game and its layout when trying to do this Sidequest, and that includes knowing how to recruit everyone without the help of Richmond. Also save the Hai Yo and Tir sidequests for the end of the game when you have all the time you need. That's really the only advice I can give.
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[Scarlet Assassin]

Playing through the game the third time, I did his quest without even noticing it. I was just playing the game and then I got into the whole thing with Elza with the final battle and I went "HUH? Is this that thing they were talking about with Clive?"
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[Horned Loa]

[Scarlet Assassin]

I'm not even sure how I actually pulled it off. It was the third time through the game and I skipped a lot of the dialogue (I live for the strategy battles of S2.) I'm guessing that contributed to it heavily.
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[Milan Fiori]

I've done it once but refuse to do it again because well...

*Spoilers*
I refuse to let Elza die again! :cry:
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[Justice Johnny]

I love to play perfect games, and I've actually pulled off getting Riou to Level 99 and at the same time, have Clive finish the sidequest. It's all thanks to the almighty Fire Lizard Rune.

If you feel like you're only an amateur, it's good to have Stallion in your party at all times once you get him. I believe you get 100% flee rate if he's in your party so you can run like hell in every random encounter. Now, you might complain that you won't be leveled enough for the next boss battle. Well, honestly, boss battles in Suikoden aren't really that hard, and there aren't a lot of them. The only boss battles I found difficult were Neclord at Tinto and the Bone Dragon at Greenhill. You have the Bright Shield Rune anyway. Just make sure you level your characters enough to hold their own against the bosses. You wouldn't want Level 20 characters fighting the wormy thing at the Banner Pass or the Stone Golem at the Crom Mines.

Now, if running is not your style, then you should make a party that you like and you think you can use for a long time without changing them. Mine was Humphrey (I got him doing the Matilda trick), Oulan, Clive, Rina, Riou and Nanami (same party that pwned Luca). Nanami with a Spark Rune helps so that you can get rid of these enemies before they can even touch you. Rina's a good mage, so she can help you deal big damage in boss battles, or just stick the best three-rune combo at her (Fury, Double-Beat, Double-strike). Oulan has a badass rune, especially if you complement it with a Fury Rune. Humphrey has great defense, and uses a two-handed sword, so you have both power and defense in him, plus Nanami uses a Spark Rune anyway so his speed wouldn't pose much of a problem. Clive... well, he's needed for the subquest.

I thought the thing that would hurt me the most was leveling up for the battle with Luca Blight (remember, I was going for a perfect game) but it didn't take me more than an hour to level up my characters to Level 38 and upgrade their weapons. Special thanks to Hans for being such a generous armorer.

If you're under 17 hours when you liberate Greenhill, I think you're in a safe spot, but try to keep it under 16 to be sure.
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[Beecham]

Not bad advice, all of that. Might need to try it out the next time I make the attempt; my last playthrough of GS2 was an attempt at a second perfect completion, and I failed miserably. Never would have made it to Sajah in time, so I stopped trying before I even got to Rockaxe for the Nanami scene.

[Horned Loa]

Well the only way to beat it PERFECTLY would be to also beat ROWD at the beginning of the game and the only way to do that is via the Matilda trick or play through most of the game without dying once and then get yourself killed and reset back home but that would mean that you died and hence it is not counted as perfect. If you manage to beat Rowd, finish the Clive subquest and get Riou to level 99 than my hats off to you as that is just brilliant.

However, I'm curious.....to get to level 99, Riou must be at a MAXIMUM of level 49 (unless you want to go the hard route). That would mean that you'd have to RUN from all the Greenhill and Rockaxe liberation fights (or have Riou killed off) as well as die when fighting Lucia, the Bone Dragon, Gorudo and Lucia yet again. You do not gain any experience for the Han duel so I suppose it is achievable but it'll be VERY hard.........but even so....I'm most likely sure you STILL haven't achieved a perfect game because of Genshu :mrgreen:...........unless you went about it the hells hard way heh. Then there is also the STONE trick which you have to do on EVERY stat for EVERY character as well as upgrade ALL weapons to level 16 and get ALL the bath scenes and Richmond's secrets as well as all the letters in the suggestion box. They would HAVE TO run out at some point but I wonder if there is a FINAL one.....possibly revealing that hidden dungeon SARSadmin told us about a few years back. :P

Anyways, I think I'll replay them all from Suikoden I and when I play two I doubt I'll bother with the Clive subquest but rather take my time and enjoy each and every game to their fullest (and get a 100% perfect battle record :mrgreen: ).

Oh on a side note.....speaking of perfection, we all know of the rare defeat Leon speech, but there are a FEW battles where you fight certain characters that ARE defeatable; namely Luca Blight, Kiba and Sassarai. Has anyone ever managed to defeat any of them before??? Luca Blight would be the hardest one to defeat but during the "Save Ridley" mission it CAN be done with proper strategizing and a little luck. I might try that next time and give you all the report.

[Beecham]

I managed to off Luca once, yeah. It took more than a "little" luck, though. I lost track of the number of replays I went through on that battle alone. Effed up? Reset. Try again. Rinse. Repeat. Ad nauseum. Leon I have yet to beat, and the same goes for Sasarai.

As for your definition of perfect, clearly we disagree. Perfect to me is simply finishing all the side quests, get the best ending, and have finished Clive quest to its fullest. What you call perfect, I call pure insanity.

Sides, I don't count dying as a strike against perfection, since dying is a tactic in this game.

[Aurelien]

Black Fang, are you 100% sure that you can defeat Luca's unit in save Ridley mission? From what I know, Luca's unit was programmed to be undefeatable.
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[Beecham]

If not that battle, then one of them, because I do remember accomplishing it once. Mind you, it's been a long time since I played. There were a few battles I replayed ad nauseum, and I thought that the Save Ridley was one.