Nash's Weapons

[Ujitsuna]

Okay, so in Suikogaiden hes using dual swords, magic scrolls etc. Now hes very good with these weapons, he beats off Seed and Culgan when encoutering them and even manages to wound Seed in the process. What baffles me is that we see him again in Suikoden III, but this time, hes ditched the dual swords for daggers... that you throw...

I can understand ditching the dual swords because they made him insane, but could he have just purchased a nice pair that don't cause insanity if he doesn't want to use them? I'm sure he'd take that realistically, even if they don't stretch out and kill or poison people... I forget which, it's all so confusing.

So, is there any particular reason apart from him bowing out from the political scene or the Suikoden lime light?

[John Layfield]

*doesn't read post*

No, he's not from Katana.

:P

There was a rumour way back when, I think, that Nash in Suikoden III could counter/parry attacks with the Dual Snake Sword Grosser Fluss although nothing ever came of it, I think.

Maybe it was because as a spy (he even adopted the name Nash Clovis), he decided to rid himself of anything that could possibly link him to Nash Latkje. Or the swords could just hold some bad memories on a period of his life that wasn't much fun.
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[Ujitsuna]

Yes he is from Katana!!! You lie!!!

Where is that rumour from, John?

[Sophita]

Me thinks the insanity might be a big reason for ditching it. That and as a spy, he'd probably want to be as non-noticable as possible, and a man carrying around two big swords is a bit easier for ye common man to take notice of and rememer than a man carrying around some daggers. (...Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nash use darts in Suikoden III?)
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[Ujitsuna]

But wouldn't a normal sword by itself make more sense? He'd blend in more with normal guards and citizens, having daggers is more out of the ordinary. Plus Nash is more formiddable with full blades, as we've seen.

[Milan Fiori]

The rumor about the parry/counter was completely false. He parries and counters with the knife at his belt. It a little stiletto type dagger with a really blocky hilt. It's the same knife he draws on Hugo in Chisha Village when Hugo recoginizes Chris. Nash appears out of nowhere and says "Now that's not anyway to greet an acquaintance."

Also, I don't think his weapon was thrown. It looked more like a one-shot hidden under his sleeve. His attack scene makes no throwing motion. He raises his right arm and grasps his wrist with his left hand.

Considering his training at the HVG, then his training as a temple guard/knight? He's proficient with probably a wide range of weaponry, including the rare gunpowder. Plus, if you want to look non-threatening then you don't wear swords out in the open. Especially if you're sneaking into a ladies chamber, and she knows how to use a sword.
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[Vextor]

His default weapon is actually a spike-projector hidden in his sleeve. It works with a spring-like mechanism. He doesn't throw anything, unless he's countering an attack (as Milan says above)-- in that case he sues a knife.

He ditched his Grosser Fluss because the sword reminds him of bad memories. They're not actually cursed or anything; Nash just hates using it. As for why he doesn't use normal swords, it's probably because he doesn't even want to be thought of as a soldier. He prefers to be thought of as some every-day ordinary person. Even in medieval times you wouldn't see a common traveler walking around with two swords strapped to his waist-- you'd stick out like an owl in a hay stack. Daggers are concealable, and they're often used as common tools anyways-- people won't think much of it.

[Ujitsuna]

It just seems to me if hes going to be involved in a full-scale war with Harmonian soldiers and monsters spawned from Blue Gate runes, he'd use something more appropriate that we know he can use. I like him a lot as a character, thats why I was a bit annoyed when they changed him so much.

[Milan Fiori]

Owl... in a hay stack? Never heard that before...

Ahh so it was a one-shot. Just a spring loaded cylinder that shoots bolt-like projectiles. They're nifty little things, but historical ones were really really hard to cock after being fires, which is why they were call one-shots. You only get one shot before they get to you. I think I remember one being used to assassinate an Italian noble at one point or another.

*edit* Bah, slow connection. I wouldn't mind have seeing them, and showing that he over came the "curse" and was able to use them properly. But I think the weapons he used were more appropriate to the storyline.
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[Failure_Urn]

I dont think his weapon change had anything to do with people recognising him as Nash Latkje. If he went to that lenght to conceil his identity he probably would have also changed his first name at least a little and maby worn different color clothes or dyed his hair. He still looks very similar is what im getting at. Also the shooter thingy is probably just more convienient for the sneaking around he has to do, wont have his swords clanking around. But that is a good point i never thought about him just using Different swords.
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[mumbay]

What was with the comment about him being from Katana. HE is defiently not from Katana he is almost surely from Harmonia his family were first class harmonion citizens

[Agahnim]

[Sophita]

Me thinks Agahnim is spot onl, there.

[Ujitsuna]

But it was well known in Budehuc that he was from Harmonia and smart people could figure out easily he was a spy. I just think if it were a matter of life and death it's silly for him to rely on a spring loaded projectile in his sleeve or a small throwing dagger.

[Scar]

It was only pointed out that he was from Harmonia AFTER he told everyone. Chris was left in shock when he told her in the forest. point is, no one, except Salome had a clue of his true identity.

Why didn't Nash have grosser Fluss during suikoden 3? It was buried with Zaj at an undisclosed location.

Why didn't Nash just use a different type of twin sword combo? Daggers are more easily carried around, and his job during the war was espionage. He had to be everywhere at any given time, and carrying two full sized swords would have hampered his travel. The projectile weapon he used fit in his sleeve. Did I like it when i first saw it? No. I wanted to see him go ape shit and destroy things with his Ivy Blades. lol

Or, just go with the easiest answer out there.

Why? Because Konami chose to have him using those weapons. lol

The curse of the GF left Nash in a berserker state. He knew better then anyone that if he used those weapons around people he cared for, lots of uneeded bloodshed would have ensued.

Daggers just fit the situation he was given. Remember, swords weren't the only weapons he was used to using. It's just the most common. Axes, Lances, Gun powder, good ole hand to hand, he had a large arsenal of tricks.
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