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sybillious
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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: the end of saddam |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15567363/?GT1=8717
is the sentence what you expected or were you expecting another outcome (outside the guilty) for saddam?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel which has unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days. |
Unlimited time to review the case? talking about slow law enforcement.
I assumed it would go like that, seeing I'm against the death row I sure don't like it; nevertheless I think It was everyone's guess that they would give him the capital punishment. What's worse than dying, right? :roll:
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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This was totally unexpected. I had my money on a stoning.
But seriously, it went alot quicker than I expected. I didnt think they would finish until at least mid 2007.
Can you imagine how much tickets to his hanging wil go for on eBay, assuming its public?
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| I assumed it would go like that, seeing I'm against the death row I sure don't like it; nevertheless I think It was everyone's guess that they would give him the capital punishment. What's worse than dying, right? |
Well life imprisonment is worse, as you have to live with no hope. But Saddam is just way too dangerous to be kept alive.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I expected for Saddam, but I am somewhat question the validity of his trial.
The article says that three of his lawyers were killed and another fled the country, along with a fomer US attorney general calling it 'a travesty.' I would have also liked if the article had talked about if his killing of the 148 shiites was a legitimate legal action or not. It mentions many times that he approved the action, but it also says that they did have a failed assassination attempt. I don't have much knowledge of pre-America influence Iraqi law, but the death penalty for people attmeping to assassinate the president doesn't seem unheard of to me.
Also, if you consider what would happen in America is Saddam was not shown guilty, the 'we're liberating the Iraqi people' argument for invasion is thrown out the window, meaning that every reason we would have had of invading is gone.
All of this may not have contributed to this outcome, but there's lots of things to consider about this trial befier I can feel confortable with the legitimacy of the outcome.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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I expected him to get the death penalty. I didn't think it was going to be by hanging, but no matter how they do it, the end result is the same.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Nope, he pretty much got what I expected. The trial was held to convict him and was pretty much a circus, with a revolving door of lawyers and judges. I expected the hanging. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I always thought the trial was more of a formality into his death sentence, lets face it, that mans not going to be found not guilty after all thats happened in Iraq. If he were found not guilty, the consequences would be severe to Iraqis and the "Coalition." I don't think anyone even considered the man could be innocent, I'm not saying he was, because hes obviously done some terrible things in power, but the chances of a fair trial are laughable at best. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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That's exactly what I think Yvl, I was pretty much being sarcastic there.
I'm not familiar at all with the penal code of Iraq, do they have more than one way to execute the capital punishment? Because states in general stipulate just one way to enforce such sentences; they probably think it would be a bit gross if they had like a "menu" to choose executing methods from.
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Forget it, I missed the firing squad paragraph, dumb me.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Can you imagine how much tickets to his hanging wil go for on eBay, assuming its public?
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to bad it won't be public. they said they put a curfew on the citizens there during the his execution since they hope that there won't be any types of attacks after his death, which there prolly will be or at least some will try.
i was surprised to hear he was going to be hanged. he really deserves to die a slow painful death after all the things he did.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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it was pretty obvious he was going to sentenced to death, but im not for the death penalty so i don't think it is right that they hang him, how can you justify taking one life, even if he has taken thousands, it is still a life and make the executors just as bad as he was.
Personally i think he should be left to rot in a prison cell somewhere. |
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Yvl
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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to bad it won't be public. they said they put a curfew on the citizens there during the his execution since they hope that there won't be any types of attacks after his death, which there prolly will be or at least some will try.
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Hasn't stopped me from making a few hundred grand off this.
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Personally i think he should be left to rot in a prison cell somewhere.
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As I said to Futch as well, he's just too dangerous to be kept alive, as people will still expect him to retun, further prolonging the violence over there.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Although he is a very nasty man, I couldn't even imagine whats going through his head right now has people from all over the world are reliefed and celebrating over his comming death.
Although its not public..I have some feeling there will be a recording that will somehow float around the internet. I'm actually thinking a hanging isn't so bad. That or the typcial "injections" because I know it must be done..or I know there isn't any control over it so I figured finish him off as soon as possible. However again Im also agaisnt the death penalty. I'm sure if you kept him in prison the rest of his years..he might just hang himself.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| revenge for all the people hes murdered. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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The article says that three of his lawyers were killed and another fled the country, along with a fomer US attorney general calling it 'a travesty.' I would have also liked if the article had talked about if his killing of the 148 shiites was a legitimate legal action or not. It mentions many times that he approved the action, but it also says that they did have a failed assassination attempt. I don't have much knowledge of pre-America influence Iraqi law, but the death penalty for people attmeping to assassinate the president doesn't seem unheard of to me.
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Part of that 148 dead were women and children. Not only killed but mercilessly tortured. There is no legitimate legal action against women and children. If it was retaliation against his assassination attempt, he should have tried to take out those that were involved, not random innocent people.
I am surprised this was the only thing he was being tried under. What about his acts of genocide against certain people in his country? His testing of hazerdous gas materials on innocent towns, where none survived?
I see it as a fitting end to a horrible tyrannical reign. I think the people that have stated that keeping him alive would be too risky are right. Although he was such a horrible man, there is a slight percentage that still supports him.
I may be completely wrong, but I do not think that there will be any more violence stemming from his verdict. As I read, it stated that there were only 2,000 people protesting the outcome in Tikrit, which is a pretty big city, if I remember correctly, and was a city that had a higher percentage of Hussein supporters. We will see, however. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I am surprised this was the only thing he was being tried under. What about his acts of genocide against certain people in his country? His testing of hazerdous gas materials on innocent towns, where none survived?
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That's because getting witnesses for really huge cases will take a lot of time, and bog down the proceedings. They just went with a "heavy enough case" with substantial evidence, instead of piling up tons of cases that would have delayed the proceedings until Saddam dies of old age. |
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