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| hehe 1 seat away from controlling senate. Hmm is Rumfeld resignation a sign of things to come for Mr Bush? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why step down now, it's too late to impact votes. All it will do is damage Bush's and the Republican's position surely?
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| I always see the republican outlining definite plans and the democrats grabbing up options between each election, I suppose thats why Republicans are popular. |
I would hotly contest that opinion, but that's an entirely different discussion, not fit for this thread. |
I suppose thats down to my lack of knowledge as an outsider looking into the USA, but please forgive me because at first impressions, that is what it looks like. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumsfeld's resignation isn't some shock or blow made by the Democrats' surge this election. Bush is firing him in an attempt to show Americans that he's serious about implementing new ideas and strategies in Iraq. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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i dont understand politics at all can some one explane it in simple words please
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Explain what, exactly? All of politics? The current situation in the US? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Leb wrote: |
| Rumsfeld's resignation isn't some shock or blow made by the Democrats' surge this election. Bush is firing him in an attempt to show Americans that he's serious about implementing new ideas and strategies in Iraq. |
It's pretty much George W. Bush's attempt at hedging his bet. Reason he didn't fire or ask for his resignation before the election was just on the off-chance the Republican held on to both houses of the Congress. If he had removed Rumsfeld before then it would signalled to everyone that the situation in Iraq has truly been mismanaged and the President agrees. Not a good way to keep the Republican base happy before election time.
Bush accepting the resignation now just makes him look less stubborn though it does reinforce the impression that he's not fully in touch with the nation if it took him this long to understand that Rumsfeld was a problem and liability. I just hope Paul Wolfowitz follows his boss and thus purging the Pentagon's civilian leadership of the neocons that was brought in when Rumsfeld was appointed SecDef.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not saying the timing is just a coincidence, but that it's not something unexpected or unwanted by Bush. Democrats were running with that whole "it's time for change" thing, and here's the president, saying he agrees fully and firing the man in charge. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Rumsfeld's resignation isn't some shock or blow made by the Democrats' surge this election. Bush is firing him in an attempt to show Americans that he's serious about implementing new ideas and strategies in Iraq.
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Bush didn't fire him, he resigned.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The first sentence is analysis (which is why I stated it as a resignation). The second sentence is my own personal opinion, which should've been made apparent by the fact that Bush did not announce that he in fact fired Rumsfeld in a move to assure voters that he is flexible (which is what that sentence was about). |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bush didn't fire him, he resigned. |
They don't fire many people in politics (at least not visible people). They "expect their resignations in the morning." Firing has a negative connotation, so they avoid it unless there is a specific reason that using that wording would be beneficial to the party. In this case, it isn't, so he "resigned."
I'd wager it was, in reality, anything but voluntary. When the democrats took so much power, Bush needed something to help him not lose total control. Rumsfeld was the goat, since the democrats don't like him. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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The new news is that Webb has been declared the winner by the AP and NBC. Expect this to get cleared up within the next twenty-four hours.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The new news is that Webb has been declared the winner by the AP and NBC. Expect this to get cleared up within the next twenty-four hours. |
I'd add a week to that prediction. I can't see George Allen conceding the contest to James Webb without having a recount or two made of the final tally of votes. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes to the courts to decide who is the actual winner, though that probably would be a last resort. George Allen was seen by some Republican strategists as a potential Presidential candidate in 2008.
He's definitely in a lose-lose situation with this election. If he concedes the election to Webb with such a small margin of votes then he'll be seen as caving in without fighting for the Senate seat. If he contests the final tally of votes several times because they don't go his way then he will be seen as a sore loser. Either way, the Republicans probably just lost themselves a good candidate for President in 2008 in George Allen.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I can't see George Allen conceding the contest to James Webb without having a recount or two made of the final tally of votes.
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He would not have much of a chance either way. The margin is by several thousand votes, and Virginia historically hasn't changed their votes in a recount by more than a few hundred. He CAN call for a recount... but it would just cost him even more, he should just sit back quietly and admit that he's lost.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I take it you saw that interview with Paula Zahn, too. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think you're mistaken. My source was Yahoo.
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They don't fire many people in politics (at least not visible people). They "expect their resignations in the morning." Firing has a negative connotation, so they avoid it unless there is a specific reason that using that wording would be beneficial to the party. In this case, it isn't, so he "resigned."
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Ah, I see.
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