Viktor???

Patriarch · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:

there always going to recycle characters look at every shop keeper, every blacksmith. and so on vikor probly had someone who closely resebled him.

*edited for pointless comment*

Tonberry · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:

I acn see some similarities between Viktor and Tal, but I hadn't thought about it until now. They look somewhat the same, but not very similar.

Weyoun · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject:

Hmm Victor and Tal being related, i think i remember seeing this on the Suikosource forums.

I doubt it because Victor is from North Window which is kinda far away but if you take in consideration that Tal became a fisherman one of his ancesters could of immigrated to the City-States of Jowston and settled in North Window, it is a place for fishing. And also Tal and Victor are both very strong people.
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John Layfield · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject:

So that's the theory?

They're both strong and have the ability to travel?

I mean that's so weak as to be just plain non-sense. Fu Su Lu could be an ancestor too with this logic, he's pretty strong. And Oulan. And, hell, even Pesmerga or George Prime or Teo McDohl or any one of countless people encountered throughout the games.

There's no logical reason to believe this at all, in my view. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I really feel the need to try and shoot this one down before it grows for no reason.
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Weyoun · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:

John Layfield · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:00 am Post subject:

Well, that's why I added my list of other possible Tal descendants. Maybe one of Teo's ancestors emigrated from the Island Nations to Toran. Or Pesmerga's ancestors went to wherever the heck he comes from or maybe one of Tal's descendants was taken as a slave by Falena, became a gladiator, broke free, had children and one of those descendants became Georg Prime.

The point I'm making is that you can string along any two characters together with theories like that. It simply isn't very constructive.
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Ley · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:39 am Post subject:

I'm going to go of on a tangent involving Vicktor. In Suikoden I he takes the name Schlotenheim(sp) Reinbach(sp) III/IV (you can tell I really haven't researched this). Maybe Vicktor was going back in his past to a member of his family,
very very far back(you know who), and maybe this person's children ecided to join the Gaien Knights for some reason. We get Vicktor down the line and voila it all makes absolutely no sense.

(This is just my way of showing that anything could happen based on purely circumstancial evidence.)
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John Layfield · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:

Sure, but based on other evidence in the game it seems more likely that Viktor took the name Scholtenheim Reinbach III from the famous novel "The Rose Swordsman" an epic tale of a mighty nobel hero, Scholtenheim Reinbach III. This great work of literature was written by one Micky, servant-boy of... Scholtenheim Reinbach III!

Seems to fit together rather well, I feel.
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Ley · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:02 am Post subject:

Oh yes. That is a great possibility. I'm sure Vicktor was a patron of the great literature's in the suikoden world.
I wonder If Konami will publish Vicktor's family tree?
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John Layfield · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:08 am Post subject:

Well, it's hardly great literature. It's a story about a guy who smacked everyone upside the head with a sword. Besides, before the whole Neclord/North Window thing, Viktor was not the beefy swordsman he is today. So, there's no reason why a younger, thinner Viktor wouldn't enjoy a book about a great swordsman defeating giant sea-monsters and destroying armies.
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Ley · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:16 am Post subject:

That actually makes weird sense to me. A nerdy Vicktor. The book would have been 125 years old roughly when viktor was young, and I wonder how many copies of the book would have been published as far as North window. Maybe Micky gave one to Scholtenheim Reinbach III as a gift and it was passed along the family, up until Vicktor. Which just proves me right in some strange way.
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John Layfield · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:20 am Post subject:

Objects of interest and importance can easily spread, so if the book caught on with the general populace for its tales of heroism and exciting battles then there's no reason why copies of it soon weren't made for other areas.

A good example in Suikoden IV of goods spreading far and wide are the multiple bottles of 'Highland Keep' in Colton's room on the "merchant" ship.
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Ley · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:

Good point. I wonder how many cheap followups were made by people who wanted to cash in on the craze and wrote about the people who witnessed the event on the boat.
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Exile · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:36 am Post subject:

Everytime I simply see the name Scholtenheim Reinbach I laugh then couple that with his Rose Rune (can't totally remember the name of it to be honest but I don't think what I put is right...) attack being simply ridiculous you have yourself a good laugh.

As for the story I'd of hoped that the people of suikoden had better taste than to allow Micky's fictional tale of Nobility and Blubbery to become popular!
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sybillious · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject:

ok, this has gone nowhere, so consider it my 'tangent' by closing it.
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