Would a true runes effect be different if it wasnt embeded on a sword

[Andarc]

Like the sovereign or night rune. What does the night rune do aside from be powerful over the undead? and the sovereign rune for that matter would it have maybe a set of spells if it wasnt on a sword? I am to understand the sovereign rune renders all runic magic useless am i correct? So what do you think, would the effect differ based on the subject?

[Cyrus the virus]

It makes sense to say that there would be changes in how the rune was used, but I would believe that the rune's power would be the same, basically. If the True Wind Rune, for example, could be embedded on Luc's rod, perhaps he could still invoke its power in the same exact manner, but lifting his rod instead of his right hand. It's an interesting idea, but there are better examples than the one I just gave.

[Captain Hero]

If the Sovereign or Night Rune weren't in sword forms, I guess they'll finally be able to grant the owner Immortality. Because they can't do that at their states right now, :D. If the Night Rune could grant immortality, Viktor could still be his young self and he could've joined the Second Fire Bringer war in the Grassland. :D
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[Andarc]

[Scarlet Assassin]

The Sov rune is a bit of a mystery really, it seems to be different from all other runes. Its power is that of nullification, but we saw its incarination in the form of the hydra. It would most likely have a spell set like other runes but you can almost garuntee that they wouldn't be offensive. The Night Rune, however, we've seen it fight and we have a rune that we could guess is a descendant rune, the Ressurection rune (Power over death, supereffective against undead, come on they're giving this to us.) So it would be presumable that the night rune would have spells similar to that of the Rez rune, only more powerful and more extensive.
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[Andarc]

[Buff]

[Thief]

[Scarlet Assassin]

The beast rune's rincar was actually a BLUE wolf, not a golden one. However, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to believe that the Beast rune would have a spell capable of summoning those golden wolves if it were battle ready. I'm not entirely convinced that the Zodiac sword is a rincar as all the others we've seen have been animal forms (Hydra, wolf, bird.)
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[Andarc]

good point, then what is the SDS? is it a rune embedded on a sword, like the sovereign rune on prakk? or is it the rune itself?
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[Rainrir]

I believe that the SDS is an incarnation of the Night Rune. Well, since there are not MANY swords in the Suikoden World that are.....related to the True Runes..it is really really hard to say.

Well, lets compare what we know about the SDS and what LITTLE we know about the SOV Sword.

SDS
- SDS talks, complains and can move around on its own...
- SDS is seems to be able to cast spells on its own...LIGHTING BLASTS anyone?
- SDS does NOT grant immortallity?
- All holders of the SDS doesn't seem to be able to invoke any special powers of the blade...other then swinging it around

SOV
- We never saw it talk or move around
- It has automatically activated anti-rune powers, just like SDS's automatic fatal-to-undead-if-you-hit-them-with-me powers
- Also does not grant Immortality
- Well, Babarossa turned into a frickin' Hydra with it!!!

Then problem is further complicated by the fact that the wielders of the two blades are very different and we never knew if Barbs is good at magic or not...At least we know that Vik sucks at it...
Lets assume that Barbs is not magically skilled and his level of competancy is like..around Vik's. Not surprising...He SEEMED TO BE more of a warrior king then a Hikusaak-like mage-king.

Then some generalisations can be made for both swords.

1) Only Runes that was embedded in the body of a True Rune Holder will grant immortality or residual immortality (in Sierra's case)

2) Any weapon that has a link of a Rune, be it being imbedded on or being and incrantion of the said rune, automatically grants the weapon certain special properties that does NOT need to be invoked by the user to be active.

However, since the SDS displays a HIGH degree of automity while the SOVS doesn't, I will jump the gun and say that SDS is an incarnation of the Night Rune..while SOVS is a True Rune Embedded in a Sword. Because the Night Rune seems much more in control of its "current form" as opposed to to SOVS which seem docile..if not unliving and object-like.
The Night Rune can deny its powers to its wielders (such as Viktor being unable to use the same spells it used against the party in S2) yet can invoke those powers as an when it pleases it. While the SOVS is never seen without its wielder and seems to always lends its powers to its wielder (shaky..I'll admit...)
In this case, whether the invoking of power is tied to the level of magical competance is not a factor..as we already assume that Barbs and Viks are both relatively unskilled magic users...Its kind of a strench but work with me here kay?

[Andarc]

when is it stated that Hikusaak is good with magic?
anyway. I must say I agree with Rainrir the most so far.
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[Rainrir]

I assume...since he is called the Priest king and the fact that his clones are all kickass magicians...The the 164th rule of RPG mechanics states powerful priests and powerful mages are pretty much BOTH powerful magic users. They just use their talents differently.

Think of it as Black Mage casting Nuke! would own..but White Mage casting Nuke! wouldn't suck either.

I could be wrong though...but I cannot imagine what the Luc fangirls/boys will say...OR do to me should I imply that Hikusaak has Luc face but Long Chan-Chan's Body....

[eXistence of Fly]