Opinion on Israel-Palestine war

[Starslasher]

[Lunarblade]

[Filipe]

Im not saying that Israel has done nothing wrong but there is no reason to believe that they would use nuclear weapons for any reason besides self defence or mutual destruction should the threat arise. We know with some certainty that Iran's plans for said nuclear weapons are neither for self defence nor mutual destruction if the threat arose. If everything were right in the world and they would all mutually agree never to attack Israel again for any reason then both Israel and Iran could disarm. Then that would remove any problems that would arise from that, you know how it goes.

Now while all those things are great news with the exception of the mentally ill man who was killed by the Israeli military. Unfortunately, it is one of those things considering that it was a very specific road only for settlers and Israeli military they had no way of knowing he was mentally ill. If they had known then they probably wouldnt have done anything but considering with all of these suicide bombers and such over the past couple of years you cant take that risk. Either way I am sorry the gentleman is dead.
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[Kohaku]

Ehm.. it's been a long time since I last updated this thread. Okay, latest news today is that beside Palesstine, things are getting pretty hot between Israel and Libanon. Well, I won't say that's big suprise since they both have long history of war with each other.

full news here : http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2005/06/hizbollah_strik.php

Back to Israel-Palestine conflict, yesterday Israel aircraft throw missile attack to northern Gazza, the first medium scale attack since the ceasefire agreement in February. They intend to attack a weapon storage facility they said, but it turned out that the missile struck a water pumping station.

Now, let's talk about something else other than news.

Of all things, I knew that the Palestinians bombing for Israel worried the world a lot, but media rarely speaks about the massacre done by Israel, not only to palestine, but to some other countries as well.

Qibya massacre : it's one of the brutest, leading most of the Palestinians out of Israel. The attack on Qibya took place in the evening of October 14, 1953, to counter a kiling of two Israelis. It began with an artillery barrage at the village until Israeli troops reached the outskirts of the village. Landmines were laid out on roads to prevent Jordanian troops from joining the fight. When the village had been cleared of resistance, Israeli soldiers ordered the civilians to leave their homes and stated that they would be demolished; they then laid explosives around many of the houses and blew them up. The claim that villagers were given an opportunity to flee is supported by the fact that most of the villagers did so. At dawn the operation was considered completed and the Israeli troops returned home.
Forty five villagers' houses had been destroyed, as well as the mosque, the school and the water reservoir. The Israeli authorities said that over 50 people were killed, two thirds of them women and children, but there's a suspect that the numbers of the deaths were larger . The rest of the village population, around 2,700 in number, were able to flee. The Israeli government initially claimed that the killing was carried out by Jewish civilians living near the border, but later admitted that it was done by military forces.

The Mansouri ambulance bombing : The Israeli bombed an ambulance in mansouri village, south Libanon, 8 civilians were killed, including 2 mother and their four children

The Qana massacre : At Qana, Libanon 1996, the war between Hizbollah and Israli happened there, and it leads to a killing of 106 civilian refugees, and 351 injured, mostly children, women, and old men. It's like a holocaust I think. I found a picture on the net showing a beheaded child victim.

There's still some more killing of course, still a lot more, but the scale is smaller and often left unwritten. And I said to you, everytime Israel killed Palestinians, at the same time they encounter it with bombing. And everytime the Palestinians bombs Israel, at the same time the Israelis counter by killing more people. There's no end to this. The same as there's no right or wrong in both sides.

Now, let's talk about the nuclear a little. You know? I found some interesting things when I read Dan Brown's Angels & demons. One of the character there said that the reason why US position in this conflict is on Israel side. The book said that they help Israel, so Israel is strong enough to overcome the Arabs surrounding whithout the need to use nuclear weapons. I found it pretty interesting, but I doubt that the things would be that simple. There's a lot more conspiracy theory out there, but who knows which one is right?
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[Tendou Souji]

..... I would like to see this conflict over. I am downright furious with this.

[Tron Bonne]

The Jews and Muslims have been fighting for like a thousand years. and they fight only because they hate the other. Its all a matter of who threw the first rock.
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[gari]

It's all just fucking stupid. I can't stand it! Why would you kill each other?? We live in in age sensible enough to just stop fighting and make love goddamn it.
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i lift the vaguelord but i didnt lift the coooooter

[Tron Bonne]

[Vextor]

Actually, the Jews have not fought with Muslims on any major scale until the state of Israel was created by the united nations back in 1947. Before that, Jews and Arabs pretty much co-existed in relative peace in that area.

Also, there are over 40 wars going on around the globe as we speak; that speaks a lot concerning the "sensibilities" of our current times.

[Tron Bonne]

[Leb]

A lot of that was just usual aggressive expansion of the Muslim Empire. They killed just about everyone that didn't convert, so that doesn't really count.

[Vextor]

And Christians also did basically the same thing during those times as well.

[Tron Bonne]

point is, Muslims did not get along with Jews, and vice-versa. Heck, Muslims didn't get along with anyone in those times. and the radical Islam today is exactly like the Muslim Empire, in terms of you either convert, suffer, or die.

but i digress. I don't see an end to the Palestine/Israel conflict any time soon.
My opinion is that if the palestinians attack, the Israelis have the right to defend themselves. If the Israelis attack, the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

as far as who should live there, I side with the Israel. Regardless of who owned the land in the past, its their land now. and if that doesn't sit well with the Palestinians, well too darn bad.
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[Leb]

What do you mean by "defend themselves"? These are always quick strikes that end in moments. Do you mean that you believe both sides should retaliate?

And it's hard to say that there's always been animosity between Jews and Muslims. Islam is a faith that was founded on force, and has always believed conversion is what's best for everyone. Just look at the translations of "islam" and "muslim".

[iscalio]