Tir Needs a Personality.

beast108 · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:59 am Post subject: Tir Needs a Personality.

Okay well I am currently rewriting the origianl Suikoden game into a screenplay/script... I am annoyed wiht the way the game doesn't give the main characters any personality. I realise they do it so the player can feel liek it is them. But the dialogue is dogey like - Ted saying "do so even if you said otherwise, Sir. Right, Tir?" and Leknaat saying "What's your name? I see. Tir--such a friendly name." There are the few choices that you get to make with Tir, but in the end it is always the one way the plot goes...

Anyway I want some input as to what kind of person you think Tir is. Or how you think Tir should react to things. remember he is a 13 year old kid.

I picture Tir as being fairly outgoing, even though he seems shy and doesn't talk in the game. He has these leadership qualities, that are never seen in the Game. I see him as the kind of guy who would be reasonably mature for his age, He thinks before he acts, yet he doesn't miss the opportunity.

I have this view that he gets annoyed at Gremio for being overprotective. He gets along with Ted really well, not because Ted is really liekable - but because other peopel his age aren't interested... Tir must be very aggresive and persuasive because he manages to lead people much older than him. It's hard to see people listening and following orders from a young boy without him being very agressive... I see this agressive side, kinda like when Anikan in Star wars, when hes a teenager and he slaughters the sand people. But then he has his passive side too...

I wanna know what other people think about Tir's personality.

Alos. Who do you think Tir would like? out of the females in S1.
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Drizzt · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:23 am Post subject:

Well I would agree that he doen't talk much and like you said that is how the game was meant to be played. Though I do not see how hard it would be to change the game and make the main character talk, seeing as they did this in Suikoden 3 for the main characters. Anyhow I imagine Tir would have developed many skills and abilites during his early life because of the time he was kidnapped by bandits.

And when Gremio rescued him they really formed a bond from then on and I do not really think he minds how protective Gremio is at the beggining though he does sort of go through a rebellious stage as he 'defies' Gremios best wishes and descisions made to him at times.

So I would assume there would be many diffenent views and opinions on this particular subject and I am sure we will get to read them soon enough. Also he becomes very emotional and dwells far apart from humans later on in life (that is what the Soul Eater does to people, believe me I know ha ha) and likes to be alone. Though he still doesn't mind the company of his good friend Gremio, and brief visits to Gregminster to see old friends and faces...
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Drizzt · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:37 am Post subject:

Oh and I didn't even know he was 13, either that or I forgot. eh...
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beast108 · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:33 am Post subject:

He doesnt have a birth recorded. But apparently he is 19 in Suikoden 2. which would make him 13 in the beggining of S1, 15 at the end of it. and 3 during the Succesion War, when he's kidnapped by Bandits. Gremio was 15 when he rescued Tir from the Bandits... The bandits were hired by Geil Rugner in order to force Teo to fight without the armour on his horses.
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Death · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:54 am Post subject:

Although my favourite Suikoden hero is Riou,

I think Tir looks much tougher than him and I have no problem with their personality design and i agree that Konami makes it that way so the players will feel that (Tir) is them...

As for the females, I don't really remember the female characters in S1, but Nanami or Viki would suit Tir :D.
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sybillious · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:11 am Post subject:

he's not 13 in sI; the war didn't last more than a year, so your ages are off.

he's supposedly around 16, close to 'riou's' age at that time, and just slightly older than him in sII.
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Drizzt · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:14 am Post subject:

No matter what I still think it is funny that kids so young get to be leaders of an army...
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Death · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:18 am Post subject:

and in every suikoden games, there are the 'charismatic eyes' :? .
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Drizzt · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:22 am Post subject:

Ha ha, that is the important part to running an army so if you yourself have 'charismatic eyes' you can run an army as well! Hey I have an idea, let all go ask professionals if we have the right eyes to run an army. Yeah I think that would get as very far...
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Alseid · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:22 am Post subject:

sybillious · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:24 am Post subject:

not from what i've heard; i know it wasn't more than that at the most, and supposedly, sII's lasted six months, approximately.

*weird and unrealistic for a war or conflict, to be so short...but, heck, it's only a game, right??*
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Aurelien · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:31 am Post subject:

EDIT: According to the timeline in SARS main page, Gate Rune War ended in IS 457 while Odessa was killed in IS 455. So at least the game covers 2 years of the Gate Rune War.

I'm not too sure on this, but I think the Gate Rune War officially started at the moment Odessa formed Liberation Army (IS 453). If I'm correct indeed, that means the Gate Rune War lasted for 5 years.
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sybillious · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:45 am Post subject:

ugh, nothing like the typical suikoden misinformation to cloud issues...but he is definitely older than 13 during this time; that is one certainty...(one of the few).
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Drizzt · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:51 am Post subject:

Nonetheless, Beast108, I can't really say which character Tir might like, though considering Kasumi was always infatuated with him, I am sure he would be happy to oblique spending the night with that ninja sometime... her or perhaps he may steer more so to the direction of someone like Eikei............
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“Maybe we skin you alive,” Noote warned. “That hurt plenty." - The Twilight Giants, Book I.

beast108 · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:50 am Post subject:

Haha... I'm not sure of ages really - It was 2 years from odessa's death to the formation of the toran republic. I read somewhere that Tir was about 19 in Suikoden 2 - which would have made him 3 in the Succession War. Is there anywhere that Tir's age is recorded or mentioned???

When I first played Suikoden I thought Tir was 17 or so. and futch was 15 or something... Futch is 8... quite funny.

But yeah - There's no real obvious females who might tilt Tir's way. well not that I could see. Because I want to put some form of romance between Tir and a character, Kasumi seems like someone I could use.. But she's only 13.. lol all these people are so young in S1 - i didn't realise.
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