New Strategist(Speculate here!)

Kain · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:39 am Post subject:

ermm it depend to buyer perhap, well then we just have to wait what type of strategist well come out
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shuxion · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject:

How about Lelei? Maybe a descendent of hers depending on when the game takes place but if it takes place in the S3 era it can be an older Lelei. I think they placed her in S5 to set up her as a strategist in a future game.
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Artificity · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:

A winger would make for a surprisingly interesting strategist. And no, this just isn't the stupid winghorde fanboy in me talking.

The fact that they're a survivalist race stands as something for them since your army is always forced into a bind in the earlier parts of the game and a race that specializes in finding ways to simply live would surely have a lot of interesting knowledge when it comes to strategy. Sure, it'll probably be filled with guerilla tactics and what not, but isn't that what most Suikoden strategists do anyway? (Except for Lucretia and her I CAN SEE THE FUTURE plothole powers)

Besides, I'm all for diversity too. Some changes would do the series great.
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Aurelien · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:19 am Post subject:

I would think that having non-human strategist would be interesting, but I don't think a Winger would do. While I agree with you that Wingers seem to know how to survive, I think they're more like "We'll survive based on what Wingers can do" and not exactly on a full-scale army consisting of mainly humans. So it might be proving to be too difficult for a winger to do that kind of strategizing. Not to mention that wingers in general don't really show interest in learning about war strategy and stuff.

shuxion, regarding Lelei, it's possible if it's her descendant. But if it's Lelei herself, I doubt so because returning characters can't change the stars. And therefore Lelei cannot occupy that whatever star the main-strategists (you know, Mathiu, Shu, Lucretia, etc) occupy. So I don't expect Lelei to be the main strategist in the future.
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John Layfield · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:36 am Post subject:

Although there is a small precedent for Konami ignoring this, in a sense.

Tuta, in Suikoden III, became the main doctor for the Fire Bringer, and Mio was his nurse but because Tuta was the assistant medic in Suikoden II, they just put Mio in the traditional chief medic spot and Tuta remained in his old slot, despite the 'promotion' between games.

Aurelien · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:53 am Post subject:

Doctors are different though. I mean, they don't even have a proper "helper star" in Suikoden I (Fukien is not a nurse hahaha). So that alone is enough to see that the doctors' stars are not to be taken as important as the strategists.

On the other hand, the strategists always kept the main strategist for the Tenki Star (woo, I did a bit of research now) as shown by Mathiu, Shu, Caesar, Elenor, and Lucretia sharing the same star. The appearance of Apple in 3 different Suikoden games and the fact that she never got promoted kind of supported the idea even further.

However, I'm a bit bummed that of all people, Cius got the 'third strategist' star in Suikoden V. Previously occupied by the likes of Leon Silverberg, Klaus Windamaier, Albert Silverberg, and Tanya. Leon, Klaus, and Albert would probably feel insulted. While Tanya isn't a big-name strategist herself, but at least she showed some interest about the strategy bit by wanting to be Elenor's apprentice. But Cius, come on ... =/
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John Layfield · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:02 am Post subject:

True, but it's a potentially get-out point if Konami, for some reason, desperately wanted to make Lelei the chief strategist in a future game (Why?) and at the same time not give me four simultaneous heart attacks.

Apple never got her promotion, however, not because of any divine rule, really, but because Apple is the omnipresent "I'm decent but there's 50 strategists better than me. In this room. Right now." type strategist.

As for Cius. I blame Suikoden V's writing for that, not Cius himself. (Although he IS an annoying little git.) I mean, if you're going to say, in game, that Cius learned from Lucretia as Lelei did, at least have him suggest strategy. Just once. It doesn't even have to be good!
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Artificity · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:23 am Post subject:

Aurelien · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:55 am Post subject:

Artificity · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:03 am Post subject:

I'll admit I was really just about to put human characters in there, but I was also frustrated at all the tenkai's being male as well so I simply had to tack on that part. I do admit overlooking how females are more often the strategists or connect to the strategist in some way. But really, all I want is Suikoden to take me by surprise and do something drastically different but still end up being the same Suikoden I love. Suiko3 and getting the option to see the story as the Bishop was awesome and it didn't drastically alter the game. A change of character types would be the same.

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Aurelien · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:47 am Post subject:

The problem with having a non-human Strategist (or ANY other big role, especially "the main character") is that non-humans are the minority in the Suikoden world, and they don't seem to ever like humans all that much because the obvious difference between the two races. Therefore, it would not make much sense if the non-human character suddenly turned to humans and even lead them. Remember that Kirkis was hated by the whole village just because he asked for humans' help. That's just the way it is in Suikoden world.

That's why whether you like it or not, humans will always be the main character of Suikoden games. However, this is not to say that non-humans can't have a rather important/big role as shown by Sgt.Joe and Chiepoo.

Ryusei · Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:30 am Post subject:

I also don't think that a non-human character would take the chief strategist spot in Suikoden games. As Black Pesmerga said, non-humans have some sort of racial problems with humans. If ever they would be the main strategist, I would personally think of that particular character as someone who's totally out of the picture. He/she just won't fit well in the world of humans and their own businesses.

But it has been proven that non-humans also can have an important role. It might take some time for them to take the main strategist's spot, but it's still a small possibility. I, for one, am very interested if non-humans take the Tenki star. It's just that I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

Kikito · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:

Assassin01 · Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:40 am Post subject:

In the unannounced Suikoden 6 i would personally want Lucretia to make another appearance in the game. It will be fitting for her as a way to continue her journey across the Suikoden world. Her ending in Suikoden 5 states that she has ''slipped away in the night'' making a chance that she will be in the next game to be the tactician for the next hero.
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