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 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Anon 1, Scientology 0 |
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For those of you who aren't aware, Anonymous called for a global protest against Scientology on 2/10. Up to 10,000 people showed up world-wide to protest in what was, for me at least, the greatest triumph of comedy over reason in modern times. Did anyone show up? Is anyone planning to go to the follow-up rally on 3/15? Did any of you hear about this in your local news? I'm curious and all giddy and delighted at the moment.
Edit: Check these out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HpiujNyXZg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BclRd-E9dTM
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I stopped by the Melbraid but didn't participate since I didn't have time to, I'll be showing up to the proposed one in my town though.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Maybe when things have calmed down and I've sobered up a bit this won't wow me as much, but right now this article really blows my mind. Regardless of the cause, regardless of the effects, today 10,000 people rose in unison to a call that had no quantitative origin. Mass hysteria with purpose as the article calls it:
http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/2008/01/28/scientology-sac/ |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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What exactly is Scientology? I know it is supposed to be a "religion" created by a science fiction author, and that actors tend to embrace it, but other than that, nothing.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| TruePerception wrote: |
| What exactly is Scientology? I know it is supposed to be a "religion" created by a science fiction author, and that actors tend to embrace it, but other than that, nothing. |
My limited understanding of Scientology's beliefs is that they believe in reincarnation and that a large number of your ailments in life can be traced back to traumas in past lives. They believe that it is possible to heal yourself from such ailements through clearing your soul of the past traumas. Additionally upon reaching some of the higher levels, supposedly they are taught that in addition to the traumas from our past lives, we have souls of other beings that cling to our body(body thetans) that inhibit us further. Of course this is the part where their beliefs often begin to get ridiculed, as the supposed source of body thetans is an incident 75 million years ago where an alien dictator Xenu blew up billions of his people on Earth with H-bombs(keep in mind that this story is only taught to high level Scientologists so the Church of Scientology denies it). Of course the Xenu story, while often ridiculed, is not the source of most people's dislike of the organization.
The strong dislike of the church comes from many of its cult like practices, such as strongly encouraging members to cut off relations with non-members even family, or the fact that you have to pay obscene amounts of money simply to gain high levels of teaching. There are also accusations of brainwashing. Then there is the church's policy of "fair game" where they basically sanction the complete destruction of the lives of anyone who speaks out against them including incidents where they have tried to frame people for crimes never comitted, do massive numbers of frivilous lawsuits to basically drain all their money away with legal fees, or even blackmail. There have also been several deaths which people have claimed are connected to the church. This covers a lot of the more famous incidents regarding Scientology although it is a little old(warning there are some distrubing images in it).
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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This thread will probably have to be deleted, by the way.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mind explaining why? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think he means because Scientology will find us and try to kill us. Or sue the site. Which won't happen, but we can laugh about it anyway.
Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Shrew wrote: |
Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it. |
There's also recorded evidence of it's creator, prior to it's creation, telling people that he's considering creating a religion to make money.
The fact that it's swept through the celebrity world isn't a big surprise. The creators set out to make those of higher social standing more valuable in the religion than people of lower social standing. Celebrities in it have extra benefits that others don't, which would logically make it more appealing than religions that promote equality for every believer in the end.
Now if people want to believe it, they're entitled to whatever religion they want, although I do find this whole scenario funny. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Shrew wrote: |
| Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it. |
But at least we can all agree to hate the Mormons. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Amyral wrote: |
| There's also recorded evidence of it's creator, prior to it's creation, telling people that he's considering creating a religion to make money. |
Ha! Where can I read/watch this? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ha! Where can I read/watch this? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#L._Ron_Hubbard_a nd_starting_a_religion_for_money
Wikipedia compiles some sources on the matter.
The most damning of which is a letter the FBI got, basically saying that making it a religion wouldn't hurt and could make them more money.
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The arrangements that have been made seem a good temporary measure. On a longer look, however, something more equitable will have to be organized. I am not quite sure what we would call the place - probably not a clinic - but I am sure that it ought to be a company, independent of the HAS [the Hubbard Association of Scientologists] but fed by the HAS. We don't want a clinic. We want one in operation but not in name. Perhaps we could call it a Spiritual Guidance Center. Think up its name, will you. And we could put in nice desks and our boys in neat blue with diplomas on the walls and 1. knock psychotherapy into history and 2. make enough money to shine up my operating scope and 3. keep the HAS solvent. It is a problem of practical business. I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could make it stick. We're treating the present time beingness, psychotherapy treats the past and the brain. And brother, that's religion, not mental science.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Shrew wrote: |
| I think he means because Scientology will find us and try to kill us. Or sue the site. Which won't happen, but we can laugh about it anyway. |
Haha, wow, my sense of humor completely abandoned me there.
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| Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it. |
The general consensus was that we weren't protesting the religion but rather the church. Members get a tax-exempt monetary commission for converting people, there are fees of $500,000 and higher to be allowed access to some of the "religion"'s doctrine, and they've had substantial medical malpractice cases against them that were only dissolved because they're so rich they could pay off the individuals with claims out of court. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it. |
Uncomfortable no, worried yes.
As with any organisation which has the speculation of criminal activities and those opposing said organisations there is always a fine line between where simple peaceful protesting will turn ugly. I'm not uncomfortable with the amount of people who dislike or outright attempt to debunk Scientology since opinions are fickle thing if the individual doesn't desire to back them up, the worry for me which makes me uncomfortable is when an individual comes along who does desire to back up their opinion emphatically, and then we get trouble which impacts more than the parties involved.
This particular protest involving Chanology, from what I saw at the Melbraid was quite tame, simple chanting, pamphlets and signs, it's what could and probably will evolve from that which people should then be worried about.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Shrew wrote: |
I think he means because Scientology will find us and try to kill us. Or sue the site. Which won't happen, but we can laugh about it anyway.
Does anyone else get uncomfortable with all the scientology hate? Yes it's weird, suspect, lawsuit-loving, etc. but I don't feel comfortable bashing someone else's religion even when I do understand it, let alone when I have only vague general overview of it. |
scientology isn't free, to know it exists you must pay for it. shhh I can tell you secretes also. I have a paypal. how much do you want to pay me to channle the souls of a dinosaurs so i can tell you what they looked like?
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some of this stuff reminds me of other things, like clingers and pastlife trama, its not to new, wonder what happens of scientology finds out about otakukin, soulbonding and multiple personalities that are based off of fiction.
hmm.. the'd posslby try to purchace the idea.
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