The Best Death in Suikoden

Kobold · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:47 am Post subject:

I need to ask...

Is this topic talking about people who deserves to die, or people who shouldn't have died, or people who have died a good death or just about people you like who dies or what?

The one who deserves to die is of course Gorudo, because i kicked the fat ass's ass for being such a worthless trecherous bas+ard. Neclord deserves death as well actually.

The one who shouldn't have died Kiba.

Luca's a good death for generally dead characters. The fact that he took so long to die makes his death great. But its not in the way of i hate Luca he must die thing, but his death is really good in a gameplay way. In other words, Luca's a great and sucessful villian.
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ubertronmanguy · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject:

Luca's death is my favorite just because of the amount of effort you have to put into killing him it takes damn near your whole army just to take him down. And it was also cool to see that Jowy and Leon Silverberg set Luca up.
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Glen Cott · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

I would probably say Luc's death. It was like death was all he wanted, freedom from the true rune. You could feel his inner turmoil and angst and the scene at the end just seems so peaceful, i nearly cried. :cry:

Excalibur1027 · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject:

First would have to be Luca. I hated him, but the ammount of effort that you have to put into killing him was unforgetable. Even his final words were quote material. He has to be one of my favorite villains of all time.

Second would have to go to Gremio because of the huge sacrifice he made for Tir and the others and just because he's one of my favorite characters. Every time I think about that scene it still makes me sad. :cry:
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Sun_Quan · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject:

Excalibur you took the words right out of my mouth about Gremio.

As for Luca, I can safely say the guy got what was coming to him in the end. I mean sure, he had alot of crap happen to him early in his life, like having his mom raped in front of him, but shoot, to take it out on all humanity? That's just pushing the lines even for a guy like me who can usually do a good job of playing Devil's Advocate. If you ask me though, he easily surpasses a guy like Sephiroth (I'm sick of FF7 anyway) in regards of sheer evilness, and that's kickin'.
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Gaara · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject:

Solon Jhee.... he deserved better. He was a proud warrior who wished to die on the battlefield... not executed.

Rheo · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject:

Fox · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:

I think all deaths were "good" deaths. The whole storry of Suikoden is quite good. Except Lulu's death in Suikoden3. There wasn't any of the dramatical feeling of the two previous parts.

Stampede · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:

The reason Lulu's death wasn't dramatic is because everyone and their dog hated Lulu anyway, cept Hugo, who didn't have any other friends except for Fubar and Joe. Beggars can't be choosers.
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Shiva · Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject:

I think the deaths of Gremio and Nanami were the most emotional for me, because they were characters that were very important to the heroes. At that point, they had already lost their best friends (Ted, Jowy) and my heart just really went out to them, Riou especially because he had no one else left, while Tir still had Pahn and Cleo. The only death more depressing than that, is if you get the "bad" ending for Suikoden II. Jowy's death is just... *bawls*

Sophita · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:41 am Post subject:

Gremio's. The young me bawled when Gremio died. It came totally out of left field for me; I never expected Gremio to die. He was my favorite character in Suikoden 1 and I was very upset that he had died so horridly. He gave his life up for Tir just because he loved him so, and that struck me as so sad. Heh...Y'know, I was so pissed at Milich for doing it that I actually did kill him the first time through - the only general I killed. Of course, once I found out that if I kept him, Gremio would get ressurected, I restarted the game, but still...It was the first death I'd ever seen in a videogame and it was really shocking.

Second for was Luc and Sarah's death. When Sarah steps up onto the platform (?) with Luc as he's dying...Oh, it's so sad. Poor Sarah and Luc. I feel bad for them; even though Luc was a whiny git, he was so damn sincere in his beliefs that when he's defeated at the end of the game, I can't help but pity him. His dreams have been more or less destroyed, and he's going to die for it. Sarah, too, is to be pitied - she truly wasn't a bad gal, but her insecurity and fear of abandonment made her follow Luc even if she thought what he was doing was wrong. Poor Sarah.
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Sualtam Lugh · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:17 am Post subject:

Personally, I think all the deaths were needed. Even Solon Jhee's. It pissed you off even more, and Luca's eath became much more satisfying.

Dragonstar13 · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject:

If I didn't see that spoiler about Germio, I wouldn't have known he'd die in the game. So it probably got me some time to prepare I guess so I didn't cry or anything. But it did sadden me. Just as much as Nanami's did when I first played and found out you cold save her at the end :shock:

I think Teo Mcdohl should be mentioned as well. The father and son fighting just seemed to hit me as a memorable moment. Teo may have died fighting for his king, but he also gave Tir help and his blessing to win the war.
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TheStrategist · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject:

In my opinion, the best death is in Suikoden II...I can't narrow it down though....
Kiba's death was awesome because of the opporutnities that it gave to Riou. But my alltime fav is with Culgan and Seed. They died protecting the country they loved and the new leader they have pledged their loyalty to.
Even though this is off topic, the worst death in Suikoden was probably Jimba. It just didn't seem right. It was right after the new FC was decided and it just felt a little rushed...

Jhee Family Estate · Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject:

I'd second the poignancy of Culgan and Seed's death. Far more effective than Luca's, really.

The best one would have to be Jowy's, though. Bad ending, shmad ending; the good ending's an utter cop-out, and Jowy's death is the only way to finish the story without giving it a thematical kick in the teeth. It's bittersweet and perfectly executed. The final shot of Riou standing outside Muse at sunset is heartbreaking.

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