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 Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: Godwin's Law |
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| I was just looking at theirstar.com and i saw something interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law Hmm i wonder if the the developers knew this or its purely coicedence... |
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Heh, that's interesting. Godwin's Law does appear to be true; just look at the "Godwin or Barows" thread. And it's certainly true when dealing with the Godwins of Suikoden V. It seems quite possible to me that the gamemakers knew about this when selecting the name for the Godwin family. Surely they must have known that the main villain being a genocidal nationalist with hopes of creating an authoritarian state by exploiting the current rulers would spark Hitler-related discussion. |
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| My friend, Wiki wrote: |
| As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. |
How intriguing. The Godwin family may have surely been based from this. Quite frankly, it would apply to us as well. Simply mentioning the Godwin's (specifically their goals and plots) would lead to what the Godwin law does imply...
It's the little things in Suikoden, isn't it? :D
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Oh man, this concept has a name? My friends and I have always agreed that if we got into a debate or argument, whoever made a Hitler analogy would automatically lose. "Godwin's Law", awesome.
The idea that Godwin's Law might have been the inspiration for the name Godwin isn't bad. I can't think of any other historically significant Godwin's after whom to name the antagonists, but then I'm quite historically ignorant. They were definetly taking their reign in a fascist direction, particularly the racial cleansing element, and when politically sanctioned racial cleansing comes up in discussion, Adolph and co. are certainly who most people think of.
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm...the law is basically saying that the first guy that made a "Hitler analogy" will automatically be a loser? Hmmm..who won the Barrow's vs Godwin's first analogy to Hitler? Did that guy lose?
The fact is that when Hitler and Nazi is used as a comparison, SO LONG as the fact that we are not raising such a point irrelevantly, the discussion need not run in circle, get OT'ed and meet a premature end.
In any case, am I the ONLY one to NOT see how this is suppose to relate to the Godwin Family?
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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I suppose it's because there are a few similarities between them:
- One "Pure" Race
- Belief in a strong military
- Questionable tactics
- Uses force and agression to solve problems
Theres probably more, but egh... |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think this whole discussion is meaningless, and to bring it up and keep harping on it is just a Nazi-ist attempt at bringing people around to one's own... awwwwwww, crap. I lose...
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hold on, there seems to be a misconception here. Godwin's Law does not necessarily state that when a Hitler analogy is presented, the presenter of the analogy loses. The law is this:
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| As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. |
Nothing more, nothing less. Godwin's Law in and of itself does not necessarily mean that all Hitler analogies are irrelevant and/or bad form. No judgment is passed on the appropriateness of such comparisons. There are certainly some instances in which Hitler analogies are appropriate, such as the Godwin family itself. |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. |
Not officially part of the Law, but mentioned by association.
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...in any case (I am sure I didn't misinterpet heh heh) the fact is that this law have very very little to do with the Godwins we know in Suikoden 5.
Hitler and Godwin might have SOME similarities but Godwin and Godwin's Law is like....completely unrelated IMO.
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Rainrir, that's not necessarily true. It's possible that the game creators took this into account when deciding what to name their family of genocidal nationalists. I'm not saying that they certainly did, simply that it's possible. And even if they didn't, it's a fun coincidence. |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm....? :? Ok. I guess it can be so, there is another famous suspected royal-family killer/plotter in the annuals of English History, I think his name is also Godwin. He was the Earl of Wessex...I think and the maternal grandfather of Edward the Confessor.
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