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Tenkai's background. Definite aristocracy?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, the fact remains Riou only stuck it so far because Jowy defected and made all their lifes go to hell afterward. Nanami certainly would have thrown everything away in a heartbeat (and she's basically Riou's mouthpiece). Riou certainly would have stuck around and helped but I never got a confident vibe from him. He was MADE the Leader, he didn't step up and proposed it himself, unlike the heroes in Suikoden 3 and 5. What kind of leader isn't told of important strategies before said strategies and put into practice? I don't care if the Leader would have opposed it, he has the right to know of it and is then supposed to make a choice.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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What kind of leader isn't told of important strategies before said strategies and put into practice? I don't care if the Leader would have opposed it, he has the right to know of it and is then supposed to make a choice.


Funny, that reminds me strongly of Lucretia's handling of Faroush. It seems to have been all the tactician's style to push the leaders into decisions, but it is also the case that despite or maybe because of their well-off backgrounds, they are somewhat uncertain and indecisive. In the end however, it is the leader's decisions that matter. Actually, in Suikoden V, the Prince seems to have the most passive role with Lucretia laying everything ready for him. And in Suikoden III, if you pick Hugo as the Flame Champion, he barely has any leadership role at all besides the one grand declaration to rally the troops for unification (and even that declaration is rather laclustre in the game).

These are obviously kids, not yet quite ready for the burden of leadership or the heavy decisions, so they need to be prodded on to continue the fight that they do believe in. It would be quite a different matter to have an experienced, old and routined leader as a Tenkai, such as Barbarossa. Geddoe would fit the role if not for his reluctance to have a greater influence and tendency to keep away from the limelight.

So, yes, it would be interesting to see a very strong Tenkai, who would need a superb tactician for victory but would have routined determination of his own.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Actually, Lucretia was kinda like that in the beggining, but besides the attack on Hatred Fortress, the rest of the fights you were informed beforehand. Heck, you can even disregard her advice during the Invasion bit of the game and defend your castle at all costs.

If you want to talk of someone basically pushing a guy is Shu. He basically plunged Riou to be leader. Unveiled tactics out of nowhere in the middle of a skirmish, tactics Riou knew shit nothing about, and even used Pilika as a distraction, without Riou's consent. Now if that isn't pushing someone around, I don't know what is.

In Suikoden 3 there wasn't a big chance for the Main Hero to actually demonstrate leadership. Hugo was mainly just a very daring kid all the way, while the Knights always were loyal to Chris, and followed Salome's counsel to the letter, while Geddoe worked on the shadows to help without influencing a whole lot. Basically, everyone kept working the same way, right until the end. If you look at it way, the fact there isn't a real big hero can be tied to the way the game's plot is set up. There are many sides in that war. It isn't a completely unified front, though they were trying hard to be.
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