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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't know about that. But the reason that USA don't make drugs legal is because they are not the larger producers (a friend once told me that and I tough funny specialy because the biggers producers are here in South America) seens rigth to me since smoking is legal right?
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'll sum this up, since i'm right now kind of pressed for time:

the sex industry may be more tolerated in countries like the US or UK or wherever, but it's like bieng on another planet when concerned with the developing countries. Their sex industry is the sex trade, in the darkest of slums, the low point of humanity. Sure, i've never been there, but if you see those documentaries about girls being sold by their parents to pimps and to work at brothels, it makes you shudder. Besides, i was told when chatting with Kuu that pornography gives people the wrong impression. So i guess you need to be mature to watch it.

Same thing for drugs. Which is a reason why the countries such as those in the Southeast Asian region make it a crime punishable by death. It does not only destroy the inidividual's lives, but the people's lives around him or her.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

That still doesnt sound right. Pot had been here since before the mexicans.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Damn, this is a long and convoluted topic...I'll just throw my two cents in and leave it at that.

I feel that morality is both affected by society and naturally exists as well. Most minor things (social taboos, etc) are caused by societal pressures. Indeed, most horrid sins (murder, rape, incest) are just as awful. The difference here comes into the fact that some acts are so contrary to our nature as human beings that they are inherently wrong. These inclinations to avoid murder and the like are what seperate us fundamentally from animals. Of course, societal pressures allow us to do bad things under certain circumstances (such as killing in war) but I feel that most humans with any level of intelligence or sophistication know the BASIC difference between right and wrong. Even if they believe otherwise, most know that it's wrong to kill another innocent human being...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You wanna hear something funny?

If the world were in chaos with no laws, it would be no different from now. The only difference is that all these weak wimpy politicians would die. Seriously, think about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I dunno...I always figured that those who most advocate anarchy would be the first to go in such a system. But I know nothing.
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The human nature is chaos... The reason for this is that each of us have our own seperate wills and thoughts. Every last one of us is different. Having different views, we are hurled into conflict over and over. People pick sides and enemies. I myself am guilty of this. Without our chaotic nature, we have no reality. Without chaos, there is never a need for laws. Thus, if chaos were eliminated, laws would not exist. One cannot survive without the other and humans depend on the illusion that they can eradicate chaos. I know it sounds very sad and you may think I'm insane, but, ultimately, this is the truth. A perfect world cannot exist because perfection is different to each person. The world can never be truly perfect to any one person because of it's diversity. Without diversity, there is no chaos. Without chaos, there is no need to prove to ourselves we are above it, that we can create our perfect utopia. Without that need... We do not exist.

You think I'm crazy??
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Man, you sound like the typical villain, Valec. :*laugh*:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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The human nature is chaos... The reason for this is that each of us have our own seperate wills and thoughts. Every last one of us is different. Having different views, we are hurled into conflict over and over. People pick sides and enemies. I myself am guilty of this. Without our chaotic nature, we have no reality. Without chaos, there is never a need for laws. Thus, if chaos were eliminated, laws would not exist. One cannot survive without the other and humans depend on the illusion that they can eradicate chaos. I know it sounds very sad and you may think I'm insane, but, ultimately, this is the truth. A perfect world cannot exist because perfection is different to each person. The world can never be truly perfect to any one person because of it's diversity. Without diversity, there is no chaos. Without chaos, there is no need to prove to ourselves we are above it, that we can create our perfect utopia. Without that need... We do not exist.


Nature itself isn't chaos, but the most well-regulated system you can think of. Think of the golden section, the fly of the birds, or the wandering of many animals. It seems to be chaos, but underneath this patina of chaos lies order. The human nature is about superiority. The bottom line is that most people want to dominate other people. I am not thinking about SM or world domination, but about the ordinary wanting for success. People want respect, because that make them "better" than another person. This is the origin of envy, because somebody has something one wants. It's mostly not about the thing itself, but about what it implicit about superiority.
Respect... If you are better than the rest, than it's fine, but what do you do if you are average? People in higher positions aren't necessary the best or smartest and these people are the leaders of parties or other communities. I don't want to say that every politician wants to dominate rather than lead, but I believe this isn't that often. People create sytems not only to protect each other (I don't want to talk about this aspect at the moment), but to be on top of the system. So, where is the solution within anarchy? I will try to write more once I have more time. Then I will try to express myself more understandable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The human race is chaos. We are the ones who cause everything to be destroyed. I'm no naturalist, but we use up the resources. We cause extinctions. If humans weren't here, that harmonious cycle of nature would continue. Humans are the block on this. But without chaos, there would be stagnation... There would never be thought again. That's simply how I look at it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Nature is the most vicious, barbaric mess of a system I've ever had the displeasure to witness. Any 'beauty' viewed in it is a completely accidental and arbitrary side affect.

It's a testament to the ego of humanity that we view ourselves as different from nature when everything we've accomplished still relies on natural resources, even in the 21st century.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Valec wrote:
The human race is chaos. We are the ones who cause everything to be destroyed. I'm no naturalist, but we use up the resources. We cause extinctions. If humans weren't here, that harmonious cycle of nature would continue. Humans are the block on this. But without chaos, there would be stagnation... There would never be thought again. That's simply how I look at it.


Yes, we extinct and use resources rather mindless, but still we are not searching for destruction, but for progress in every single way. You are right that we try to avoid chaos, but not because it's our nature and lies deep inside ourselfs, but because we fear the chaos as something dreadful and "unnatural"

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Nature is the most vicious, barbaric mess of a system I've ever had the displeasure to witness.


Have you ever seen a shell? There is something human beings needed mathematic to see the golden section. Have you ever seen how a spider builds a web? I can see the harmoniy. Even the so-called "circle of life" was never anything but systematic, because one animal doesn't extinct another species.

I wonder what the heck the human being did. Of course it can't be unrelated to nature, because it couldn't have evolved without nature, but still human beings got the brain not to use it, it seems, because we are behaving like there is no tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

And now we are back to my earlier stated paradox... Humans are their own worst enemies. All we have to fear is each other. Without the human exiatence, there would be no progress. Technology and progress are simply illusions we use to justify the means by which we do things. Humans say a certain quote, but no matter what, it can never be truly followed.

'The end does not justify the means'

This is because we want to advance technology as an end to show we have some meaning. It will never justify the means because there is no peak to technology. Thus, we are trapped in a never ending cycle of chaos... Locked to our never-ending ends.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Cherry picky all the pretty little details you want, spiders don't create webs to impress you. As I've stated, the supposed beauty of a web designed to capture other creatures for live consumption is completely arbitrary. The web looks pretty so everything is harmonious? Please.

What have human beings done? We have shattered the evolutionary curve. We have mastered flight, without wings. Underwater exploration, without gills. We have climbed the highest mountains, explored the coldest depths and borne the hottest heat. We have propelled ourselves into space. We have created the ability to communicate instantly with any other point on the planet. We have claimed this planet and no species yet has come anywhere near toppling us from our perch.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

And to continue what Layfield was saying. No species ever will be able to tople us from our monsterous peak above them. Humans have something that no other species has on Earth - logic, reason, and communication. THose three things are what make this argument what it is. Your arguing about the nature of man when thats not what matters, theres no way to change what has happened, we can only learn what didn't work and try to do something to overcome it. Humans may naturely be chaotic and if you feel that way go live in a big city where you can feel the chaos happening, or go to Africa, theres plenty of chaos there. If chaos is the natural state of man then we were never meant to be what we became through order.
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