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the difference between an adult and these little sluts who go around and yee-haw! and party is that they are motivated by the socialisation and popularity and fun they think they're having. in the future they may learn that they wasted their life on this crap and start looking for something more meaningful, or they can stay the same and be paris hilton nobodies (because if you aren't rich and act like a floosy, you'll still be a nobody). as for you, yes, you can make the decision to act like someone who doesn't wear pants and likes doing kartwheels. yet, one would think at your age, you have the good sense to know that coolness and longing for a partner is not going to reap anything meaningful. i know when i see a drunk girl falling all over a guy, it's not pretty. i'm disgusted by it. i think as a woman who's losing control of her facilities the drunker she gets, she's losing her self respect, and the respect of others. i'm not saying i haven't been drunk and been uninhibited with guys, but i can say, it's not worth it. maybe it's something experience brings to each individual, but i wouldn't want to be drunk and throw myself at anyone to look cool. in fact, the reasons i drink and end up over-doing it is probably when i'm feeling pretty sad and need to talk about something - which hasn't happened lately, thankfully.
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That's a bunch of crap. If a girl goes sleeping around with guys and feels horrible about it afterwards, it's because she has low self esteem and feels used even if that's not the case. The same thing can happen if she gets into a relationship with meaning and gets dumped. If she has high enough self esteem she can sleep around and have sex simply because she likes TO HAVE SEX. Hell that's why I do it. Some people don't think sex matters.
And if you want to sleep around, that doesn't determine who you are. I'm sick of this high-school mentality crap that so many of the people on this site and in general have that says "If a girl has sex a lot she's a whore." You can do anything and still be a good person Ivy. Even a prostitute can have charisma. She wouldn't always just be a "floosy" unless that's all she was. If that was the case, she should be sleeping around because her personality is so shallow she'd have trouble making friends otherwise.
Drink, party, go bang every guy in sight if that's what you want to do. Don't let people decide what is decent for you to be doing. AND for god sakes stop deciding what is decent for others. You're all going to turn out to be 45 years old doing nothing all day but staring out your windows at the neighbors and what evils they're doing.
Morals aren't something that should be decided in a community, they're something you decide and abide by yourself. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Even if I still feel a bit disgusted by the behaviour many younger people have I will never try to judge the value of their life. I don't know... why should they say or think they wasted their life and will search for something meaningfull as you wrote, Schala-kid?
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What is this supposed to mean? They might have really fun doing what they are? I may think this can't be really fun, because for me it would be a torture, but I am sure UberYuber is right and there will be people thinking about what they perhaps have lost, because they weren't interested in doing party the way the "slut s" how you called them Schala-kid, were doing at that time. I am not the person for regrets, but I can imagine that some people exist who wish they would have been more active in a sexual matter, but the time is gone.
People won't stop judging other people, even I see myself thinking about other person's behaviour as something disgusting sometimes, but I don't think about how miserable their life is or that there will ever be a time when they realise what wrong they've done, because maybe this time will never come and maybe it wasn't wrong at all. The only thing I don't like is when people cut away the chances to chose, the possiblities to make a difference, because they just don't think about other people as persons with the same right to act like they want. That is the reason I despise this little 11 year old mommy, because she isn't thinking about her child as something precious and therefore doesn't act with the needed responsibility. Furthermore I don't think it's good in the meaning of healthy that she started drinking and smoking at that early age, but in a theoretical point I think everybody should be allowed to do this as they want, but there is my opinion that a child of this age isn't really able to decide, not it doesn't know what's good for her at the moment, but to think of what is good for her in the future, because away from talking about wisdom, I believe that one have to live a bit longer to experience the feeling of the need for long-time planning...
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i'm sorry Oobie, but when i think of a 13 year old who drinks and smokes while pregnant, i don't exactly think of a person who's selfless and cares about others. these are some qualities that for me make a decent person.
a person who goes out and drinks and sleeps with her boyfriend or any guy, with a mentality that their impregnable, is stupid.
a person who brings a child into the world and expects their mother to be there to take over whenever things get tough or she wants to do something for herself, isn't very responsible. and responsibilty and independence/self sufficiency are essential in raising a child - a reason why i don't have any at my age of 23. because i'm not naive to believe i can rely on everyone.
i'm not saying that the girl feels horrible or ashamed after the act. i mean, it's meant to be great! how long has it been since you were in high school? there's a division between people who are cool, and not so cool, and mainly it's got to do with smoking, drinking, and sleeping around. i once went out with a popular guy. he told me that every other couple were sleeping together, and that i was "lucky" because if i was with one of them and i didn't, i wouldn't be their gf much longer. so what kind of 'relationships' was that? they go on acting like a couple, yet they wouldn't exist without sex.
you got one thing right, is that a girl who is called a floosy isn't always a floosy - just like the word guys and girls label women quite easily to refer to them as a female dog doesn't mean that that's all the girl is... am i right there?
i knew a floosy female dog of a girl. she was nice to me at times. she wasn't a bad person, i just didn't look up to her lifestyle, even though it granted her the popularity she enjoyed.
kuu does envy such popularity and coolness. and i think she doesn't like that to attain supposed "coolness" she'd need to drink, party, and sleep around. that's a betrayl to herself if she does it, yet she constantly debates about it, saying if she did act in that manner, she'd be accepted (she even posted that). she can make up her own damn mind sooner or later - learn to love and accept herself, constantly complain about how "unfair" the world is, or try being "cool" by drinking or partying.
I personally don't see anything appealing about a person who lives only for themselves, only to party, drink, and have a good time. it may be fun, but i would find it empty and purposeless, and i hate being purposeless.
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| Morals aren't something that should be decided in a community, they're something you decide and abide by yourself. Nothing more, nothing less. |
*Laugh* Please. people came together and made a basic moral code. some got turned into laws. Murder. Theft. Paedophilia. assult and battery. corporate crimes. contract law...
i think if we didn't have some laws, derived from a communitys consensus of morality and what we believed was acceptable and unacceptable, there would be endless chaos (is that why you're uberyuber (LOLOL)!!!!) and crime, which wouldn't even be acknowledged as crime.
Hypothetically, i may have killed someone because my natural morality would be of my choosing. i find killing someone who pisses me off as acceptable. yet laws in reality restrict what i am able to do without punishment. i know that if i injured someone for my personal reasons, there would be consequences, so in a way, morality of society has rubbed off on me, and i'm not killing every person that pisses me off. i've grown into society's morality, and i'm not angered by it being imposed on me.
when you speak of Morals, you can't just wipe away those morals which have been setforth as laws/moral codes that have been of benefit to society. otherwise what's to stop a 45 year old kidnapping a 2 year old and raping it? his morality is different to mine, so he can abide to his and see his actions as "loving the child beyong human comprehension" and acceptable, and i have no right to a reaction of disgust because it's "acceptable" because he can live with his moral code? and i should just abide to mine and keep to myself?
what you wrote about morality being up to the individual is total horse excrement.
but when restricted to only Sexual morality, it can make sense to some degree. people can and will do what they like, so long as their are laws that provide them that freedom. in communities (schools, religious groups, cultural groups) there are basic morals that are expected of such people. and with laws such as the age of consent, it's pretty much a code which says that we overall don't expect people younger than this age to be mature enough to deal with the physical/psychological consequences of their actions. it's ignored by many, and there is no punishment.
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Drink, party, go bang every guy in sight if that's what you want to do. Don't let people decide what is decent for you to be doing. AND for god sakes stop deciding what is decent for others.
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Wrong! "others" would also include one's own children!
so what is the point of being a parent? to let the kids to do whatever they like? i thought parents have an obligation to provide guidance and enrichment to child such that upon maturity they can make wise decisions. that said, i certainly wouldn't be encouraging my kids to go out banging every guy in sight, drink and party - at any age.
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You're all going to turn out to be 45 years old doing nothing all day but staring out your windows at the neighbors and what evils they're doing.
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wrong. i'll probably be doing evil in the privacy of my own house. i just would have never lowered my morals or my self respect along the way.
it's probably all a perception thing. i don't look up to them for living a lifestyle percieved as more fun and adventurous than mine. they don't look up to me for living a simple quiet std free lifestyle. they may think i'm dull. i might think they're [insert something here]. and eacn of our beliefs led us to where each of us are, and we're unlikely to change, or accept each other, but it's not an all out war. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| *Laugh* Please. people came together and made a basic moral code. some got turned into laws. Murder. Theft. Paedophilia. assult and battery. corporate crimes. contract law... |
UberYuber didn't write it and I am not impudient enough to imagine what exactly was the opinion he wanted to express, but he did write about morale. I can't think he suggested to life without any law enforcement. But that isn't necessary, because not always and under any circumstances is morale equal with existing law, because aside the influence both things have on each other, they are nonetheless different things and I imagine therefore that UberYuber only thought about incidents and behaviour that wasn't against law. But as I said, I won't purport that this is what he wanted to say, because in the end he might mean exactly the opposite.
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i'm sorry Oobie, but when i think of a 13 year old who drinks and smokes while pregnant, i don't exactly think of a person who's selfless and cares about others. these are some qualities that for me make a decent person.
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That's something different entirely. I didn't say this girl gives a darn about anyone. But having a child at 13 isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen to a person and it's not necessarily a bad thing neither. What is bad is that she's suffocating this child. I said that 3 times now.
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I personally don't see anything appealing about a person who lives only for themselves, only to party, drink, and have a good time. it may be fun, but i would find it empty and purposeless, and i hate being purposeless.
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A person can sleep around and drink all the time and still be a selfless person. All peoples, and yes I do mean ALL, deserve to have selfish pursuits in life. That is what makes you an individual.
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*Laugh* Please. people came together and made a basic moral code. some got turned into laws. Murder. Theft. Paedophilia. assult and battery. corporate crimes. contract law...
i think if we didn't have some laws, derived from a communitys consensus of morality and what we believed was acceptable and unacceptable, there would be endless chaos (is that why you're uberyuber (LOLOL)!!!!) and crime, which wouldn't even be acknowledged as crime.
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As eden said they're not the same thing. Morals are a persons ideas of what is right and what is wrong. No one can determine YOUR morals except for you and if that's not the case, then you are simply a drone driven by urges and goals that are not your own. Your morals shouldn't be determined by the laws. You should choose to obey the laws because that's the way life is, but you shouldn't necessarily agree with them simply because someone says you should or because the majority of people do.
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when you speak of Morals, you can't just wipe away those morals which have been setforth as laws/moral codes that have been of benefit to society. otherwise what's to stop a 45 year old kidnapping a 2 year old and raping it?
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The rape laws? Forget about consent... it's illegal to rape someone regardless of their age. Not to mention the freaking parents. What's to stop the same guy from stabbing said child? Hopefully the same two. However, we don't need a legal age for murder. Or consent for being murdered. I'd say that if you can't speak you can't consent. Besides, there's something sick and twisted about that example. I'm not talking about making rape legal. Just eliminating the age for where it's okay to start doing things because morals and development should dictate when a person is ready for anything not the law.
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Wrong! "others" would also include one's own children!
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Moot, you know what I meant.
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so what is the point of being a parent? to let the kids to do whatever they like? i thought parents have an obligation to provide guidance and enrichment to child such that upon maturity they can make wise decisions. that said, i certainly wouldn't be encouraging my kids to go out banging every guy in sight, drink and party - at any age.
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A parent should raise their child by their moral code, teaching them right and wrong as they see it. Stop trying to twist my words around. That statement had nothing to do with parenting and was on the majority of people judging other people's actions and ideas as immoral when morality is determined by the individual.
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it's probably all a perception thing. i don't look up to them for living a lifestyle percieved as more fun and adventurous than mine. they don't look up to me for living a simple quiet std free lifestyle
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I just had a conversation about this the other day. Exactly what the hell is so bad about an std? What is the difference between the clap and a cold? They're both treated with drugs and neither one of them should make you a social outcast. You tell someone you have lupus and they sympathize. You tell someone you have syphillis and they regard you as dirty. It doesn't make sense people.
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| I just had a conversation about this the other day. Exactly what the hell is so bad about an std? What is the difference between the clap and a cold? They're both treated with drugs and neither one of them should make you a social outcast. You tell someone you have lupus and they sympathize. You tell someone you have syphillis and they regard you as dirty. It doesn't make sense people. |
My mother had lupus and died eventually of this illness, therefore I know a little bit about this disease (not that much, because it was years ago and I was just a boy), hence I think your comparison between a cold and the clap is the better one. I know about one of my female friends who had the latter one and told me as the only one about this, because she knows I don't judge. You are absolutely right about this, because even with the chance to be infected by the clap under different circumstances as having sex, the chance to get a cold is much higher. In the end both aren't that bad if one gets medizine and so I wondered about this. Why should this so embarassing that you can't talk about it? Why is it so shameful to people that some don't want to go to a doctor? Some things are really difficult to understand in our societies...
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Stop trying to twist my words around. That statement had nothing to do with parenting and was on the majority of people judging other people's actions and ideas as immoral when morality is determined by the individual.
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morality is determined by an individual, but it will always be compared to one's own moral code.
for some, i may seem morally uptight. this is done by comparing to one's own morality. it's a judgement, any way you look at it. words like frigid and "party party girl with no pants on" are judgements that come from people from different moral codes. people will judge one another, you can't stop that. it's immoral when it differs from what they deem unacceptable. when it interfers with the person, then i have a problem with it, because law provides people the freedom to do what they like, and i won't interfere with that, even if i find a huge discrepency between that person and my idea of morality. i don't protest at abortion clinics [and yes, i know full well not all abortions are the result of irresponsibility or promiscuity], or point fingers at people in the street who violate my standard of morality. but it doesn't stop me thinking that i disagree with their actions and beliefs.
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it's probably all a perception thing. i don't look up to them for living a lifestyle percieved as more fun and adventurous than mine. they don't look up to me for living a simple quiet std free lifestyle
I just had a conversation about this the other day. Exactly what the hell is so bad about an std? What is the difference between the clap and a cold? They're both treated with drugs and neither one of them should make you a social outcast. You tell someone you have lupus and they sympathize. You tell someone you have syphillis and they regard you as dirty. It doesn't make sense people.
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oh dear, i just mentioned it because my lifestyle will probably reduce the possibility of me aquiring and std. STDs are just a hassle and can cause problems in relationships (who did you get it from? can't touch you until you're better or whatever). i was more or less just highlighting that i am hopefully, less likely to have that hassel. just like someone from the tropics is less likely to get the flu or frostbite. think whatever of it. it's off topic anyway.
so yeah... this 11 year old... you think she could ever win mother of the year? you think this baby might be a turning point for her in her life? let's hope not. i mean, she should stick to her morals! they got her where she is today, so it must be good. :D |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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morality is determined by an individual, but it will always be compared to one's own moral code.
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That's true. The point is that if the mother is raising her child to abide by her morals then there really isn't any reason to call her a bad mother. Perhaps she's misguided by many of society's standards, but as long as she's raising the child to believe in what is right and wrong as she sees it, then she's only doing as right as she can. No?
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i don't protest at abortion clinics [and yes, i know full well not all abortions are the result of irresponsibility or promiscuity], or point fingers at people in the street who violate my standard of morality. but it doesn't stop me thinking that i disagree with their actions and beliefs.
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You do look down upon them though and that just makes me sad. People don't all have the same beliefs and will obviously always be different. The point is that no one refers to this child as different, but simply as wrong.
What I'm trying to say here is so close to what I meant by the Luca editorial that it's not even funny. Just because you disagree with the actions of others, doesn't make said actions wrong or said persons evil. If everyone could start to see them simply as different, we'd all get along better. And if you can't see anyone that has different beliefs than you as anything but wrong, then stop looking around at others because the world's biggest problem is within.
Sorry to hear about your mother Eden and it's nice to hear that someone else shares my thoughts on VDs.
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Thank you UberYuber. I agree that it's a good thing to talk with somebody who not always thinks in absolute concepts. You know? This is evil and that the worst and so on... I really thought that Luca editorial was great, because it shows how complex and often ambivalent people are and that black and white just colours (or no colours at all, depending on who you ask...) are and no adequate description for anything that is related to human beings. So I am happy that here is someone with whom one can talk about things like VDs without looking at a big BAD-sign ;)
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So what, we bite our tongues when certain individuals of society take it upon themselves to do nothing but get laid and fulfill selfish desires? No, that's not an "evil" thing (and I don't recall anyone here saying that specifically) but it isn't a necessarily healthy thing to do with your life either. Party and have sex? Whoa, sounds like you're missing out on an awful lot if you're just living day to day on a quick-fix orgasm.
Human beings are inherently sexual. It's our nature. What may be "wrong" and "dirty" to some people is the way they stray from that nature. I personally don't believe in casual sex when two parties involved are intoxicated and just focused on pleasing themselves. I think it's one of the most disgusting and vile behaviors a person can act out. Which is why I really have no sympathy for Ms. Pre-Teeny Mama, because her actions and quotes denote a rather primitive mentality common in young people today who believe that there is nothing more to life than feeding a narcisstic, selfish, physical-addict void within themselves. That's basically all there is to it. Now I'm not saying that, for example, when you take someone to bed that you have to be married or be in love, because I don't believe that either. But when you are just fueling physical desires be it getting high, "f*cking" or drinking (to take three common examples) and expect or assume that WOW THIS IS AMAZING THIS IS LIFE, then I am kinda surprised that said person is getting angry at others who are passing judgement.
As for the clap-cold comparison? Uhh well, typically, I don't get sick because I wash my hands and eat properly and avoid bacteria infested objects and people. It's easy to avoid a cold by being resonsible- which is more than I can say for a lot of people having sex nowadays. Why is it such a shock? STI's generally denote a lack of responsibility and communication between two people. If you're an innocent victim, well, that's a different story. This is comparing apples and oranges here. |
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I'm from the south Jorge and at times, it is something like that. However, it is certainly not so bad as it is portayed. Although, my graduating class of 42 had 5 people engaged and 2 people pregnant. That is rare though and everyone who wasn't involved thought it was ridiculous. That was this year by the way.
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As for the clap-cold comparison? Uhh well, typically, I don't get sick because I wash my hands and eat properly and avoid bacteria infested objects and people. It's easy to avoid a cold by being resonsible- which is more than I can say for a lot of people having sex nowadays. Why is it such a shock? STI's generally denote a lack of responsibility and communication between two people. If you're an innocent victim, well, that's a different story. This is comparing apples and oranges here.
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It's not apples and oranges.
They're both diseases caused by viruses. It doesn't matter how you got it. And it's not just the promiscuous people with STDs nor is it the abstinent people pointing fingers and looking down their noses. Which simply doesn't makes sense.
And even if you don't buy that... you're saying a lack of responsibility and communication that could've been for but a moment should result in repercussions of this type? Being ridiculed and looked down upon for something that might've just been a mistake or extremely unfortunate? I love that. Your bandwagon is full though so squeeze in to make room.
Don't be so selfishly absorbed in your own morals that you make stereotypical statments about people who are afflicted with a disease. It wasn't even that long ago parents were pulling their children out of schools because another student had AIDS. We all call that ignorance now. I hope soon we can say the same about this crap.
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So what, we bite our tongues when certain individuals of society take it upon themselves to do nothing but get laid and fulfill selfish desires?
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How about trying to live your own life instead of looking down your nose at people who are
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And the best thing still is that you people keep classifying a person that has tons of sex as a slut and nothing more. There are prostitutes with charisma and simply becuase of what they choose to be right and wrong you'll never be able to see that it's possible they're twice the person you'll ever be. Of course, if a person has sex with a ton of people, they're simply selfish and not just living life. Seriously, do you honestly think that? Is everyone really that shallow?
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Party and have sex? Whoa, sounds like you're missing out on an awful lot if you're just living day to day on a quick-fix orgasm
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This isn't about people who are addicted to anything be it sex, drugs, or alcohol. An addiction of any sort is also something classified as a disease.
We're simply talking about people who don't see anything wrong with having as much sex as they want or drinking as much as they want. That doesn't mean they're living day to day dependent on it. This is about people who have different morals that place less importance on the meaning of sex. There's a big difference.
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No, that's not an "evil" thing (and I don't recall anyone here saying that specifically)
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You're not even on track in the conversation. That "evil" statement was about the editorial in reference to what was being said. *facepalms* You caught that particular word and yet you totally missed the point.
Words are more than just letters put together.
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I personally don't believe in casual sex when two parties involved are intoxicated and just focused on pleasing themselves. I think it's one of the most disgusting and vile behaviors a person can act out.
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The fact that people refuse to even try to see things a different way is simply depressing. People will always be different and have different beliefs. There's not such thing as black and white when you can't use facts. When were talking about opinions, everyone is right and everyone is wrong. So calling people or their actions "vile" and "disgusting" simply becuase it's not something you agree with is totally selfish, ignorant, and annoying.
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Why? Wouldn't you get angry about people passing judgement on what you think is right and wrong? Simply because the majority has an opinion on something doesn't mean it right nor that a person with a minority opinion should be judged. It's rude. I'm surprised you can't see that.
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So are many of us for various reasons Futch...*laughs*
But in all honesty this makes me question what the world is/has become. 1, she should not have been drinking. 2, her mother is 'proud', bloody PROUD?! Maybe there in lies the reason for this, the mother probably drinks and smokes and got hit over the head when she was in her 10-18 years. 3, just wrong...that's seriously just wrong. Wait until she's at the very least 16 drunk-hormone driven punk!! You should (and most likely will be) waiting until she's 18 in all honesty...
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wow OOOB you'll be father of the year huh? nice logic. No differance between the clap and a cold? lets make AIDS somthing good, like being a master poet.
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| Drink, party, go bang every guy in sight if that's what you want to do. Don't let people decide what is decent for you to be doing. AND for god sakes stop deciding what is decent for others. You're all going to turn out to be 45 years old doing nothing all day but staring out your windows at the neighbors and what evils they're doing. |
so does this mean I can get my jollys doing other things like mocking Chirstains? or making sexual jokes to kids.
or the thing I desire most, making a guy my pet and demanding he wear a collor? hell maybe I can get a guy drugd and take advantage of said state if he won't sleep with me. whos to say then any guy could do that?
also OOOB said girl here was drunk. so we should clap and squeal for drunk girls who get laied? hell, you know what else we should do? NOT arrest guys who hump them, no matter how much they say "i didn't know i was to drunk"
anway OOOOBIe, I think you'd like these things, speking of clap and cold
http://www.giantmicrobes.com/venereals/clap.html
http://www.giantmicrobes.com/health/commoncold.html
aww aren't they cute!
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i don't protest at abortion clinics [and yes, i know full well not all abortions are the result of irresponsibility or promiscuity], or point fingers at people in the street who violate my standard of morality. but it doesn't stop me thinking that i disagree with their actions and beliefs. [/quote]
You do look down upon them though and that just makes me sad. People don't all have the same beliefs and will obviously always be different. The point is that no one refers to this child as different, but simply as wrong. [/quote]
look down on them? where do you get this from? When i think of people having abortions, firstly, i don't like that they're "destroying life" to some extent. but then, i know i shouldn't judge and i don't know the full story - there's more than one reason to abortions being necessary other than "whoops". and as for those cases that are "whoops" i just think that if they lived their life differently they wouldn't be in this situation, one which i expect isn't very plesant, or worth pursuing again. at the end of the day, i'm pro choice, but in some cases if lifestyles or beliefs were different (i'm invincible and can have unprotected sex because i'm great, or i'm 11 and haven't had my period yet so can't get pregnant, or it's my first time so i can't get pregnant). in some cases, being responsible could avoid the situation. in repeated instances (of which personally, i know none) of abortions due to stupidity, yes, i think i will name call. this has nothing to do with accidents or medical complications - i'm not going to touch on that at all. but as for the first time abortion, i would probably think the whole instance was avoidable if this person had more responsibility. i probably don't look down upon them, but feel sorry for them they find themselves in that situation. i don't think women go out of their way to get an abortion because it's a fun thing to do.
as for the virus thing, St. Ajora understood what i meant.
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morality is determined by an individual, but it will always be compared to one's own moral code.
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That's true. The point is that if the mother is raising her child to abide by her morals then there really isn't any reason to call her a bad mother. Perhaps she's misguided by many of society's standards, but as long as she's raising the child to believe in what is right and wrong as she sees it, then she's only doing as right as she can. No? [/quote]
i don't think a mother who has what society calls low morals would want her child to follow in those footsteps. society can say "prostitution is immoral". the mother may be a prositute, and be a great mother, yet definatly not want her daughter to end up being a prostitute. why? she doesn't agree with her own moral code?
Mother Theresa. so she's just as moral as me, as i'm living by my moral code, and she's living by hers.
without comparion and scale in morality, there's nothing for people to aspire to, or diverge from in the hopes of bettering their own morality... |
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