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| Am I the only one that was drinking and having as much sex as I could before being of legal age and still considers his parents to have given strong morals regardless? |
I started drinking one day before my eighteenth birthday, have never smoked a cigarette and had sex before I entered the golden age of criminal responsibility (at least in my country) and I don't think it has that much to do with morale, besides the obvious things. For me that's not the point with the girl and his mother, but I think nonetheless that the mother violated her obligatory supervision. I don't think it's natural or good how the eduaction was done in this case.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| That's freacking ridiculous. An 11 year old? She'll die in childbirth. I don't see how she can birth this fetus. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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curiosity leads to experimenting, but parenting tempers actions; values and morales taught by parents help the child make decisions (good and bad) based on what they've seen and been taught directly.
this girl hasn't been shown anything useful; mom thinks this is ok? in what world is it ok for a child that young to have a child of her own? mom has no business having kids, but since that's not a right that can be controlled, here we are...
yes, she can survive it; girls that age have children in other countries-it's not as uncommon as you think.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I think I read about this on a paper some days ago . . . and boy, was I freaked out.
Well, all I have to say to her is this: Let the Heavens determine your fate based on your actions., since I'm a lazy talker.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Wow all I can really say is wow. I mean I thought it was wrong when I knew a 15 year old girl going out with a 21 year old guy, but a pregnant 11 year old that is crazy. I remember seeing a pregnant 13 year old who went to my younger sister's school, but this takes the cake. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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this girl hasn't been shown anything useful; mom thinks this is ok? in what world is it ok for a child that young to have a child of her own? mom has no business having kids, but since that's not a right that can be controlled, here we are...
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I just think in a perfect world that there wouldn't be age restrictions on anything, just better parents and thus better children who can both decide what is right for what age. I don't think anyone has the right to say at what age it should be ok to birth a child or have sexual relations. Maybe that opens the door for pedophiles, but I'm afraid I'd rather see it that way then the way it is now. Protect your children from pedophiles the same way you would from others who would commit other crimes against them.
In such a world, if mom decided that 10 years old is fine for daughter to get pregnant and start popping out welfare dependent rugrats then that's just the way it is. It's her right to raise her kids based on what she believes is ok. No one else is fit to judge her on that. It's possible she sees the way you're doing things is totally wrong. Maybe giving birth to a child at a young age herself changed her life for the better and the fact that she's supporting her child instead of saying "I'm so disappointed in the little whore" makes me want to defend her. That's what a good mother would do whether she thinks it or not. What would honestly happen if the person who interviewed her got a totally negative statement? Everyone, and most imporantly her daughter, would regard her as a hypocrite and her daughter would feel betrayed by her mother and would likely go off.
No I'm not saying she's a good mother because honestly I have no idea. But really the only thing that bothers me about this whole thing is the fact that she's suffocating the baby and doesn't care.
That should be what matters.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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this is what happens when pre-teens and young teens watch too much of the O.C, and decide to act like the characters on it - forgetting that they're at least 5-7 years older than they are.
i just think the girl is a stupid little trollup. mother didn't do a great job obviously if this could happen, but the girl isn't really smart either. it's good she's decided to live with the consequences of her actions (because she no doubt consented, whether legally it's acceptable due to the age difference is another matter). I just hope her mother doesn't make her life too easy by taking care of the baby whenever the girl needs her to. so if she wants to go out to some nightclub to go out and get laid and get pregnant again, mumsies isn't babysitting the little tyke.
i think some girls are just downright stupid. there was this girl from my school at 14 who got pregnant. and that wasn't from an accident, she thought she couldn't get pregnant the first time, so they took no precautions. and i was left thinking "didn't she learn sex ed just like i did?". whilst she was "home studying" she got her best friend to do and hand in her homework. she showed up for the school formal and acted like she didn't have a care in the world. i just didn't like that she was able to come to parties and stuff, while her parents took care of her child.
i just didn't like also that we went to a catholic school and this happened. i think morals might have something to do with it, and every person has their own level of morality |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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For those worried about the girls safty when giving birth, i doubt that she will have to push it out, if she doesn't miscarry through smoking and drinking the they will most likely do a c-section, so she will have a nice little scar as a reminder.
When i was at school a girrl in my year had a planned pregnancy, she though her dad would look after the little sprog for her whilst she was at school, unfortunaly she didn't realise how attached she would become to the little blight and had to drop out of school, good job it was the optional two years after 16.
In a way Uber yuber is right, resrictions that are based on age are floored for the simple reason that every person is different and are ready to begin having sex, drinking, smoking etc at a different time of life, however with smoking i find the age restriction to be quite justifable since it has been proven that smoking affects the bodys development, but then again if someone want to stunt their own growth let them.
I think the key is to educate people about the risks involved in certain things and there affect on the body and those around you, then they can make more well informed decisions. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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In a way Uber yuber is right, resrictions that are based on age are floored for the simple reason that every person is different and are ready to begin having sex, drinking, smoking etc at a different time of life, however with smoking i find the age restriction to be quite justifable since it has been proven that smoking affects the bodys development, but then again if someone want to stunt their own growth let them.
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yeh prehaps, oh boy would that be great if there was no AoC, or the American AoC nationwide was 6 or...11. then I could get a boyfriend more easily..."what you are 15...buhh bbhubh um ok by *runs away*" yehs then that woldn't happen. anway no age restrictions? would kids pace them selfs and drink responsiblty if it had no restriction? the only reason children are starting to drink at 8 is 'cuz its bad' and being a rebel is cool. sure other countrys allow children to drink, what do they drink? waterd down ale or vodka and coktails? rum and coke with less than a half of a half rum?
That would be cute, give little sussie some vodka for her birthday insted of a toy, a tiny skirt and a drink mixing book. shes ready for life. Next we'll have kiddy bars, we alredy have starter clubs..why not if the drinking age was "out of the womb", Baby crying? shut him up with some beer.
How many here who agree with said statments would practice what they preach? Many seneiros are possble. You find your 8 year old saying that everyone of her friends (lets say her friends are 10-12) or her friends' older siblings are talking about sex and she thinks it sounds fun. will you freek ou if you find her snooging the saussage of the neighbor boy or catch them rubbing up aginst eachother naked? mine you there are apaprently loads of hormons in our food that cause children to biologicaly mature faster. Just because you at 27 didn't act like that at 8, dosen't mean at 32 your child you have won't. Children now are developing breasts at 12 even (I saw a girl who is 12 with a bigger bust than mine) and some enther puberty at 7. so what? shes biologicaly ready for sex. do you let her?
Ok your cute perfect angel boy wants some drink, noo not a carbonated suger filled soda, or a fake dairy milk shake dyed blue, he wants some Spiced Rum, do you let your 6 year old kick back pirate style with it? given now there are no laws.
lets go further, what if drugs were legal in your country? Little Lilly is having a sleep over, what if they share a bong? great thing for 13 year olds to do eh? I think so.
what a wonderfull world with no law and restriction, can children decide themselfs whats good? how many fall victem to peer peressure? do they have the maturaty and self controll to know how much is enough at 7, or 12? How much sex and drugs and booze is enough? what if we had co ed, sleep over parties with 14 year olds, alcohol included...because its legal now, no soda, no coffie. think the'd drink it?
I don't drink, party, smoke or have sex yet. children are out doing me in coolness. Now I'm 24 and all of those are legal for me, except for the drugs. I'd like to look cool, is that why some kids do it? what can I do? I know I'd be cool if I went to wild parties, drank and had sex.
also as for education, I think it shold be nin stop and start in 3rd grade. Too bad parents somtimes don't tell children the facts. sad story, I was in college and heard of a story of a woman who got married and at 23 she still had no clue how babies were made. she thought all you need to do is sleep next to your husband and you wake up pregnant.
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's HILARIOUS if anyone chooses to defend that little piece of crap. No, I don't hold anyone who says "hurrrr I can quit smoking but I won't, and it probably won't hurt my baby", in high regards. Even if there was just a small chance of damaging your unborn child, WHY WHY WHY would you take that risk?
I also think it's hilarious that the article seems to have this "redemption" theme to it. Raising her child? Bull. She said right there her mother is going to raise that kid while she goes to school (and subsequently, parade herself around as a skank) and that's exactly what's going to happen. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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dude be careful i got in trouble for saying this kind of stuff
on anotehr note, what is the legal smoking age where shes from?
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Who are we to say what someone can do and at what age they can do it? thats all im saying at the end of the day it should be about the individual and about how thay have been educated.
Drugs?? Pffft, they are a whole different thing than what we are talking about, they are illegal for all ages so what exacty is the point of bringing them up when we are talking about age restriction?
I didn't say that it was "cool" to do these things either, i find it quite sad that this child has lost her childhood at such an early stage.
Since when is partying and having wild sex the only denominator for coolness? It's all relitive, if thats what you find cool then so be it, personally i tend to look a little deeper.
Oh and the legal age for smoking here is 16. |
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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oh okay thanks, that is illegal then as law abiding citizens we should be able to tell people that they should follow the law, if she were of legal age then we wouldnt be able to
is that only for tobacco?
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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nocturne1337, in this case, i think we can call it like we see it. look up trollup, that's not a very nice word either. i think so long as members aren't calling each other skank or trollup in this thread, then it's not as bad as calling her the world which will be filtered: slut.
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| um and coke with less than a half of a half rum? |
that's pretty undrinkable. if you drank you'd know that the mix is something like 1-2oz to 6-8oz coke i think...and a squeeze of lime :D
i find it so funny that you're so angry that these people have made decisions that you refuse to, or argue against. you've said the only way you could get a guy is is you act like everyone else, and drink and party and stuff. well, this girl did it, so are you a little jealous or what? yes she's young, she's an irresponsible poopy pants and i hope she catches a disease. the difference between an adult and these little sluts who go around and fuck and party is that they are motivated by the socialisation and popularity and fun they think they're having. in the future they may learn that they wasted their life on this crap and start looking for something more meaningful, or they can stay the same and be paris hilton nobodies (because if you aren't rich and act like a floosy, you'll still be a nobody). as for you, yes, you can make the decision to act like someone who doesn't wear pants and likes doing kartwheels. yet, one would think at your age, you have the good sense to know that coolness and longing for a partner is not going to reap anything meaningful. i know when i see a drunk girl falling all over a guy, it's not pretty. i'm disgusted by it. i think as a woman who's losing control of her facilities the drunker she gets, she's losing her self respect, and the respect of others. i'm not saying i haven't been drunk and been uninhibited with guys, but i can say, it's not worth it. maybe it's something experience brings to each individual, but i wouldn't want to be drunk and throw myself at anyone to look cool. in fact, the reasons i drink and end up over-doing it is probably when i'm feeling pretty sad and need to talk about something - which hasn't happened lately, thankfully.
if you at your age kuu still think you can drink and party and pretend to be paris hilton in front of people and be considered cool, then either the place you live in respects the wrong ideals, or your just not mature for your age kuu. grow up. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| that's pretty undrinkable. |
Rum is under every circumstances undrinkable, but half and half whiskey is something of a drink. ;)
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| Since when is partying and having wild sex the only denominator for coolness? |
aydas_arrow, you wrote "only" with a good reason, bit I don't know how you see it, but what was cool when you was around 13? Who were the cool persons everybody wanted to be with? I don't know the feeling myself, because at that age drinking teenagers disgusted me and even today I don't like it much, but it seemed to me that many people were thinking the guys (or girls) who were drinking and making out at parties were the ultimate meaning of coolness. I can remember how friends of mine with this attitude told each other how they felt over the hedge and who poked and instead of feeling ashamed wanted a high-fife for this achievement.
I don't know what the youth has as an indikator for coolness or success or stuff, but I can remember I was once helping out a few friends at school who were elected to arrange a party for 13 year old pupils who were new at our school. I don't want to think about what the young girld wore or better not wore at all, but their behaviour was really disturbing. I don't want to see some little girls dancing on a pole like some paid go go
dancers...
I really want to know what it is what people seems to make think drinking or being a rebel or whatsoever makes one automatically cool. I am no preacher, I don't ask "where are the values? Why don't we have idols anymore" (and I definitely don't think about someone singing songs on a stage), but I wondered what makes people do these things. Do I start drinking with 9, because my parents drink? Do my friends drink? Or is it because some older people do it and I want to be mature and it seems as long as I look like a child and acting mature doesn't count that much for those older people, because they don't know what mature behaviour is, the only way to be accepted by them is to be a equally good drinker and tell the same embarrasing stories about drinking and getting laid.
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