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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Descriptions of the stars? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I know there are translations of the star names, and the original CHinese stars and their translations... but has anyone created a list of what they all really mean yet? Like Tenki (Wisdom) being the chief strategist, etc? Or should I continue on my already-started project to do so with the lot of your help? This is being done to make it easier for raving fans to figure out which star they would be. EDIT: It seems there is not a description of what qualifies someone to be a star yet, so I'll begin posting my progress.

Bold stars are stars that have information. Keep in mind I havent played Suikoden 4 yet, so the list will definately be patchy.

TENKAI (Chief of Heaven)
The Gatherer. The most important star to success. The character is of nobility or high class.
Tir McDohl, Riou, Thomas, Lazlo.

TENGOU (Conflagration)

Lepant, Ridley/Boris, Sasarai, Lino en Kuldes

TENKI (Wisdom)
The chief strategist. Geniuses.
Mathiu, Shu, Caesar, Elenor

TENKAN (Idleness)
Antisocial magician.
Luc, Ted

TENYU (Bravery)
Warrior.
Humphrey, Dupa, Tal

TENYU (Heroic Ferocity)
A skilled person both in large and small battles.
Kasim, Hauser, Yuber, Izak

TENMOU (Swift Courage)

Kwanda, Kiba, Shiba, Axel

TENI (Majesty)

Pesmerga, Lucia, Selma.

TENEI (Heroic)
As the title suggests, the people born under this star are heroes.
Gremio, Sierra, Yuiri, Aldo.

TENKI (Lofty)

Warren, Teresa, Salome, Reinbach.

TENFU (Wealth)

Kun To, Nina, Jimba, Chiepoo.

TENMAN (Abundance)

Cleo, Feather/Sigfried/Abizboah, Juan, Paula.

TENKO (Lone)
Heavy weapon user. A bit hotheaded, but they know what they are doing.
Viktor, Sergeant Joe, Kika.

TENSYO (Wounded)
Somewhat reckless or rebellious.
Valeria, Hugo, Keneth.

TENRITSU (Standing Spear)

Griffith, Fitcher, Bazba, Ramada.

TENSYO (Swift)
Devoted.
Clive, Yun, Travis

TENAN (Dark)
Skilled fighters, but rather silent.
Flik, Edge, Snowe.

TENYU (Guardian)

Camille Tsai Yumi Rachel

TENKU (Empty)

Kreutz, Jess, Fubar, Helga.

TENSOKU (Speedy)
As the name suggests, Tensoku Stars are fast on their feet.
Stallion, Nash, Cedric.

TENI (Strange)
Courageous fighters, sometimes too corageous though.
Kage, Georg Prime, Aila, Keen.

TENISATSU (Murderous)
Diehard warriors with little else on their minds.
Fu Su Lu, Hanna, Hallec, Gau.

TENBI (Lowly)
Outspoken individuals.
Kirkis, Killey, Chris, Gretchen

TENKYU (Longevity)

Sonya, Nanami, Geddoe, Katarina.

TENTAI

TENJYU

TENKEN

TENHEI

TENZAI

TENSON

TENHAI

TENROU

TENSUI

TENBOU

TENKOKU

TENKOU

CHIKAI

CHISATSU

CHIYU

CHIKETSU

CHIYU

CHII

CHIEI

CHIKI

CHIMOU

CHIBUN

CHISEI

CHIKATSU

CHITOU

CHIKYOU

CHIAN

CHIKIJU

CHIKAI

CHISA

CHIYU

CHIREI

CHIJYU

CHIBI

CHIKYU

CHIBOU

CHIZEN

CHIKOU

CHIKYOU

CHIHI

CHISOU

CHIKOU

CHIMEI

CHISIN

CHITAI

CHIMAN

CHISUI

CHISYU

CHIIN

CHII

CHIRI

CHISYUN

CHIGAKU

CHIBIN

CHISOKU

CHICHIN

CHIKEI

CHIMA

CHIYOU

CHIYU

CHIFUKU

CHIHI

CHIKU

CHIKO

CHIZEN

CHITAN

CHIKAKU

CHISYU

CHIZOU

CHIHEI

CHISON

CHIDO

CHISATSU

CHIAKU

CHISYU

CHISU

CHIIN

CHIKEI

CHISOU

CHIRETSU

CHIKEN

CHIMOU (Rat)

CHIZOKU

CHIKOU (Dog)
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Isn't there supposed to be a list of their meanings in the 108 stars list of Suikox or Suikosource? There are various lists there that show the Chinese novel characters and their designation along with the meaning of each stars name...

Like the Tenkan Star (Star of Idleness)... then would refer to... Wu Yung
- The Great Intelligence.

As for the Chinese Stars, i have yet to find the actual list of the 108 stars' chinese names. But most definitely, it's the chinese pronounciation of the japanese Kanji.

Through all the research on the Shui Hu Zhuan i found through resources here on the web, i haven't seen one yet... Maybe Sars could help, if he has them...
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Suikosource got it pretty good. There is exactly what you're searching for. In the characters section is a listing of the 108 stars where you can see which star means what. TAke a look and be satisfied.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You mean this thing here?

http://www.suikosource.com/chars/stars/

Sorry, but no, I'm not satisfied. I want to know what qualifies someone to be that star, or at least patterns within the people who have been assigned that star.

If that's the case, I'll be putting in my first post my progress thus far.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yes indeed, it would be very interesting to analyse which characteristics the beares of these stars all have in common to define te qualification criteria to bear such star.

BTW perhasp we should include characters from Suikoden V and move this topic to the Suikoden V subforum.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, you can always refer to the list of the original 108 stars in Wikipedia. It contains short (and long) biographical entries of each star in the Shui Hu Zhuan. You could always refer to the stars list i mentioned to see which star goes to whom. But it seems that they ARE in order... But just to make sure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_margin

There's a list in there. Since you seem so dedicated to it, you could look at them as you wish. Do remember that some names here aren't exactly the same as the ones featured in Suikosource, so you'll have to go with how they are said... Like with that of the Chitatsu/Chibin Star(Viki), Kung Wang. He's called Gong Wang in here...

After reading his bio, i can't even imagine how Viki got this star... Much more so on Jeane... Since the Chiketsu Star, Xuan Zan, is indeed ugly... :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I could have sworn that I have read something like this in a site. I thought that it was originated from either suikosource or suikox but, alas, I could not find that particular link to the star-relationship chart again.

Anyway, these are what I have got (not in particular order):

TENKAI CHIEF STAR OF HEAVEN
The Gatherer. You should all now about this one.


TENGOU STAR OF CONFLAGARATION
Lepant, Ridle, Sasarai, Lino en Kuldes, Raja. This looks like the star of a prominent leader.


TENYU STAR OF HEROIC FEROCITY
Seasoned veterans, I guess.


TENEI HEROIC STAR
The star of the sidekicks? Well, at least most of the characters under this star died or had a near-death experience.


TENKI LOFTY STAR
All of them somewhat played an important part to the struggle.


TENSATSU MURDEROUS STAR
The characters under this star had "beastly" natures.


TENKEN DAGGER STAR
TENZAI STAR OF SIN
TENHAI THE VANQUISHED STAR
Always a trio, whether it's Anji-Kanak-Leonardo, Rina-Ellie-Bolgan, Melville-Alanis-Elliot, Lo Seng-Lou Fong-Lo Hak or Volga-Wasil-Orok.


CHIKI THE STRANGE STAR
CHIMOU THE FEROCIOUS STAR
Always a pair of man working mostly as partners. Preferably, but not always, in red and blue: Teo's Knights, Matilda Knights, Zexen Knigths, Kika's Pirates and Dragon Cavalry.


TENRO THE GOAL STAR
TENSUI STAR OF INTELLIGENCE
Just like above, they always come in pairs. From lovers to mother-and-son to best friends.


CHII THE MAJESTIC STAR
CHIEI STAR OF COURAGE
The Maximillian Knights in all their glory... and their ancestors.


CHIZEN THE SILENT STAR
Prominent magicians.


CHIKOU THE WILD STAR
CHIKYOU THE STAR OF AMBITION
Always a pair of ninjas. Yes, I have a gut feeling that Moose was also a ninja...


CHICHIN THE SUPRESSING STAR
The True Star of Narcissist.


CHIKU THE EMPTY STAR
Star for the young, cutesy-type girls.


CHIKETSU STAR OF NOBLE WISDOM
The star for runemasters. So far there are only one of them...


CHITOU THE FOLDING STAR
The star of farmers. Except in IV because apparently there was no farm there (well if you count raising fungus as farming, then...)


CHIGOKU THE STAR OF MUSIC
It's, well, for the musicians.


CHISEI THE GUILELESS STAR
Appraisers, except Nadir in III. I can not seem to remember the appraiser in III...


CHISOU THE WALKING STAR
The ones who implement or make the elevator works in your HQ.


CHIBIN THE QUICK STAR
The one and only teleportress.


CHIKO THE LONELY STAR
The blacksmiths.


CHISYU THE UGLY STAR
The gamblers.


CHIRETSU THE INFERIOR STAR
The bathmakers/bath attendant.


TENSOKU SPEEDY STAR
The ones who are pre-equiped with the Godspeed Rune.


CHIZOU THE HOARDING STAR
The incredible gourmet masters.


TENKAN STAR OF IDLENESS
The guardian of the Tablet of Stars... Mostly... Well, at least in three of the games...


CHIKEI THE HALTED STAR
CHISYUN THE ELEGANT STAR
Pretty much the crazy mechanical girl and her sidekick. Except it was the other way around in the first... and there is no sidekicks in IV... but Rita and Nao were friends! Maybe.


CHIJYU THE BEAST STAR
CHIBI THE LEAST STAR
Sages, medicine experts, doctors and nurses go here.


TENKI STAR OF WISDOM
CHIKAI CHIEF STAR OF EARTH
CHIFUKU THE HIDING STAR
Basically the master strategists, secondary strategists and apprentice strategists got these stars.


CHISA THE AIDING STAR
The phonologists except in III and IV, but I heard Liloon loved to sing...


CHIRI THE STAR OF JUSTICE
The window makers in II and V.


CHISUI THE FULFILLED STAR
The librarians.


CHIYOU THE MAGIC STAR
Except in the first, it is the star of reporters and chronicler.


CHISON THE WOUNDED STAR
The warehouse keepers.


CHIHI THE FLYING STAR
The Innkeepers except in the first and IV.


CHIMOU THE RAT STAR
The cartographers except in III.


CHIYU THE OBSCURE STAR
Except for the first, this is the star for the ones who help you recruits more people. Yes, Deborah kinda helped...


CHIKOU THE DOG STAR
The traders.


CHIYU THE HELPFUL STAR
The armorers.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, If you're looking for the Suikoden meanings of each star, I guess Scrooge is right about that. But if you need to look into the actual meanings of the stars, you can always check the link i gave above...

It seems that some stars are yet to have a singular meaning. It's kind of hard to put together people in one star and find a common trait...
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