Note concerning ship descriptions

Felipe · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:50 am Post subject:

Here is the description of the Galleon.

Leb · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:03 am Post subject:

Since when has "weapons" equated to "guns"?

Calupict · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

Maybe he said "guys" not "guns".

Leb · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:

If he meant "guys", his post had no point. I imagine he's questioning the rule that cannons and modern naval weaponry are not allowed, and he's saying that the weapons mentioned in the Galleon-class ships are guns. Which is not the case.

Arcana · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject:

Well, not necessarily guns, but perhaps cannons?

Naval warfare became possilble because of the invention of the cannon. Without it, what are you going to attack other ships with? Little spears?
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Noot · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:

This is the Suikoverse, though. And in the Suikoverse, only the Howling Voice Guild has the gun-powder technology required to use cannons.

John Layfield · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject:

Spear-oars!

Oars with pointy spear ends used by the rowing crew to pierce the hull of ships and cause it to take in excess water!

Archers, fire archers, ramming, boarding and scuttling and so on all seem to be compatible forms of naval attack in the Suikoden world.
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Leb · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject:

Arcana · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:

Username · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

Suikoden V proves you don't need Rune Cannons (That's not a huge spoiler so I shouldn't get in too much trouble being that it's vital to this topic at hand). Also Gun Power is a Harmonia only until they lose their tower as it's unfair to give anyone else the nation's only claim to fame.
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Felipe · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:22 am Post subject:

I'm only saying that we can't say we have guns in our descriptions but the in the description of the Galleon it's says it is equiped with various weapons, and what weapons you can equip in a ship? Guns.

And they also say: "This class tends to be slow, but its range and defenses more than make up for that." Range of what? The guns range.
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Leb · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:14 am Post subject:

Do you think guns and cannons are the only projectile and/or long-range weapons ever invented?

Exile · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:11 am Post subject:

Just think the boat sits higher out of water or taller so archers can shoot further because of this and the mages can see further to use their magic. It's a futile argument, the Galleons don't have guns even if you think the description implies it which it doesn't really to be honest with you.

I don't know about spear-oars but during naval battles I intend to get into my submersible barrel with attached drill bit on top. You'll be sinking before you realise I was ever there.
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RedCydranth · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:

Well, I would like to think this is a simple solution. Since the Howling Voice Guild is the only group who has mastered the use of gun powder in the Suikoverse, there stands to reason that the Galleons would have to be equipped with other forms of long range atacks. What exactly is long range and not any sort of explosive cannon? Harpoons. A spring loaded harpoon style gun. A high tension coil, a team of strong men and a very long and pointy harpoon can seriously damage anotherr ship. Also, perhaps it has a lot of smaller harpoon cannons tah fire off not so large harpoons, like spear sized.

Let's keep in mind this is based of a game where Magic is prevalent. Why sit here and agrue semantics of why Galleons can have other forms of attacks when you openly accept that in this realm a ball of fire can be conjured from nothingness or a human can cause an earthquake, only in a small centralized location with use of a shiny stone embedded in their hand. Or for this matter why Clive isn't the most powerful character in Suikoden. He does have a gun. So if you can openly accept the fact that there are these inconsistancies that aren't available on our realm of existance why can't another form of long range attacks on a galleon be allowed without it having to be a gun powder based weapon? For god sakes, you accept there can be half lion half eagle creatures but NOT long range boat attacks not related to gun powder? Squirrels can run around with capes and there are human sized dog and cats speaking english, but god forbid there be a boat with alternative weaponry.

Just let Sars and Axiose do their things with the boats and stop questioning the minute details that really don't need to be addressed.
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Arcana · Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/cs/navalwarfare/a/revnavalwarfare.htm

A little bit about how the cannon revolutionized naval warfare. The galleon, as a boat, would have never come around if not for the Spanish desire to put more cannons on its ships.

This link is posted here purely out of interest and is not meant to change SARS's mind about the implementation of his battle system, or to argue the details of ranged warfare on ships in the Suikoden universe.
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