Harmonia and Rome?

[uwangski]

All I know is that the Holy Roman Empire, was actually founded by a German. He's Frederick Barbarossa, later known as Frederick I. He started conquering small countries near them and then eventually launched an attack against the City-States of Lombardy, and Genoa (both are parts of modern Italy). After conquering Rome, he installed a new pope, because the Roman Catholic Church did not support his rule. He later moved the capital there and then sent his knights to the crusade, including himself.

While on the desert, they saw an oasis. Being overwhelmed with joy, he forgot to remove his armor, jumped in the waters and drowned... stupid...

By the way, I noticed Muse is like Athens especially the city hall, and Greece as Jowston, since Greece was also a city-state country back then. I guess Sparta was Matilda...
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[Zahak]

I thought the Holy Roman Empire is the same as Rome? yeah I thought of that too, that Muse looks alot like Greece.

Matilda doesnt looklike Sparta to me.

I think Highland looks more like Rome, then Harmonia does, think about it, even Highland's army lookslike how Roman soldiers used to wear, and the banners that they carry looklike Roman legions, even the military camp, looks like the ones Romans used, General Kiba's armor looks of that that a Roman General would wear, Klaus himself looked like a Roman servant, the only things that Highland may not have that Rome did, were a senate, slaves and polictial vastness, though I wouldnt doubt it if the Blight family or any other noble in Highland had slaves or so to meet their own means.

I always had the image in my head, that Falena is also much like the Roman empire.

Are you saying that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire are two different things? I was reading something on the Roman empire and it said that Roman was founded by the people of Troy, who fled from Troy, they are some statues in Rome that can be found of Paris aka Alexandros, I know that the Germanic tribes were the ones who brought the Rome Empire then, of course with help from the lower class Romans and others who were unhappy with their culture and society, so the Empire quickly began to lose integrity from in the inside as well.
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[uwangski]

Holy Roman Empire is the country's name, Rome is the capital. Think of Mexico and Mexico City...

With the analogy the Muse is to Athens, Matilda's military is more or less as powerful as Muse's, whereas Sparta, being a country of warriors, can also be as powerful as Athens

If I recall correctly, Roman Legionnaires wear bristled helmets (I dont know how they're called), Highland soldiers doesnt, but I agree Kiba and Klaus' uniforms are like Roman officers
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[Eden]

I think, Otto I was the original founder of the Holy Roman Empire around 960, but the name was first given somewhat about 1150. And I am sure, that the HRE hadn't got a official capital, because the empire consisted of different nation and was never a whole state and it was autonomous from the original Roman empire.
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The Fool

[Sophita]

...You all realize the Holy Roman Empire was a successor to part of the Roman Empire? They're not the same. *scratches head* The Roman Empire was gigantic and spanned most of Europe and even parts of Africa and the middle east at it's greatest height (under Trajan). The Holy Roman Empire was primarily a conglomeration of mostly central European lands.

Zahak, what you're thinking of is Ancient Rome. It's settings go back to...well, probably pre-history, but yes, the story you're thinking of is that of roman mythology. Once finally arriving in Italy, Aeneas gets welcomed by the Latin King, Latinus, and his and his exiled band of Trojans make their home there. Latinus gives his daughter, Lavinia, to Aeneas as a wife...some generations later, Aeneas's descendent, Rhea Sylvia, is raped by Mars, and she bares twins: Romulus and Remus. Skipping a lot of their story (their uncle, the ruler of Alba Salva, tries to kill them; they escape through divine intervention and get raised by a she-wolf, etc), Romulus eventually founds Rome, and becomes the first of the kings of Rome on April 21, 753 BC.

However, historical origin is likely a bit earlier than that - Rome was probably founded by Latins and Sabines around the 9th century BC. This in turn is replaced by the Roman Republic in around 509 BC, the Empire around 31 BC, and that splintered into quite a few pieces eventually - including the Holy Roman Empire. It completely fell in 1453 AD.

I think the thread creator was refering to the Roman Empire. 0.o;
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[Zahak]

[uwangski]

So Queen Sophita is quite good in history... u'r my new idol now!

Eden, i think the capital is Rome because the pope is in Rome at that time. But since the first pope ignored them, maybe there was really no official capital

Zahak, I never heard of the Roman Empire reaching China, although there are some speculations that they did:

1. the Chinese learned palisade defense at that time, which was from the Romans
2. a shield formation (forgot what it was called), another Roman technique

But let me remind you these where not proven, from what I heard
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[Eden]

Zahak, The Holy Empire consisted in the 18th century of Germany, Austria, Bohemia (now Czech Republic), Belgium, Liechtenstein, Slovenia, Luxembourg, and large parts of modern Poland and small parts of the Netherlands and Croatia. All of the Netherlands and Switzerland, and parts of modern France and Italy were also part of the HRE.
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The Fool

[rane]

maybe you can refer sparta to tinto because of the rocky mountain paths.
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[Zahak]

I fought that strange that Siegfried Schauffen from Soul Calibur was from HRE, because he wears like very medievial(sp?) like armor and such?

[Acheron]

I love helenistic cultures and I did a pretty extensive project on Rome last year. I'm no expert but I'd been too lazy to come in and look through here prior (I don't know why) but I might be able to share a few things that I've learned.

My friends and I joke like we're sophisticated sometimes and whenever anyone mentions the Holy Roman Empire we must mention that it is neither Roman nor an Empire. As Sophita said, it was very much the European lands. I believe it came to be when the Roman Empire split into two creating HRE and the Byzantine Empire (I think).

[rane]

i see i related tinto to sparta also because of the nation's aggresiveness, sparta was more aggresive than athens and the rest, like tinto's vision of expanding and trying to get lands from the grasslands. :D
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[John Layfield]

All around them? They only bordered Dunan, the Badlands and the Grasslands and later Zexen as a result of their territorial expansion over the previous 18 years.
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