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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Opening Secrets (possible spoilers) Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

My two little things I noticed while watching the opening of the game. Nothing really big.

First, when it goes to the underwater shot of the boats, it shows Dolphin's swim by. One of them is a mermaid.

The other is just the fact that Jewel is staring down Snowe when everyone is stand around talking. I swear Jewel has a crush on Snowe.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Hmm, I couldn't really see to detailed in the intro 'cause of the Partchment-like effect that Konami added to it. But I did see the mermaid, if somewhat briefly
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I wouldn't really call those secrets, but whatever. I noticed the mermaid. As far as Snowe goes i doubt Jewel has a crush on him, they are probably just childhood friends.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Jewel does have a crush on Snowe! She says it in the game! (or in one of those letters, I think).
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Let us take a look, shall we.

Jewel's Comment Box Letters

1. How are you?
Hanging in there?
I'm doing all right, I guess.
I'm a little worried about Razril,
though.

2. Na-Nal is...
It's my homeland, but...
Oh, I'm sure you knew.
It's a hard place to live. The Island
Chief is an awfully pesky old man.
That's why I left as fast as I could
and came to Gaien to join the Knights.

3. Well...
Isn't it great that Snowe
was all right? After all,
we were friends, you know?

Jewels Confessional

1.What? Someone problematic? Let me think... I know... the King of Obel! It's like, are you sure a king like that is acceptable? Do you ever wonder about that? Other than that, there's Ms. Elenor... because, you know, she always looks like she's angry, you know? Oh, there's also... (Keen interrupts) What? Aren't you going to let me finish?

2.Oh, Hero IV! Yeah, he's strong! But, he must be having a tough time in all sorts of ways...

3.Hmmm... something for me to be remorseful for? ... There isn't anything I can think of!!

I don't see it. One message mentions Snowe, but it doesn't indicate anything beyond the platonic level. Although, if there is any evidence I'd like to see it. I enjoy a good romance, personally.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I didn't notice the mermaid. Thanks for sharing that. As for Jewel, I never picked up on it, but I'm not saying it isn't true.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yeah, Jewel has a crush on Snowe. Apparently if you take she and Paula with you at the beginning, Paula sort of teases her for it on the Deserted Island. (This is hearsay, though; I've always taken Jewel and Keneth, so.)

Jewel's also the only one who has a different comment once you recruit Snowe if you talk to her on the ship - saying how glad she is he's okay, like in the comment box. There's a couple of the other times where she's the one out of the four friends who's asking about him, and she's the one they show crying when you forgive/kill him. It's kind of subtle, but then, most Suikoden relationships are.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Hm, he's got a point at that last; very few Suikoden romances have been that blatent. Very few involving primary characters - and you don't get much more primary than Snowe, outside of the Tenkai himself - are romances you could point to and talk about without someone very rightfully able to argue that there was no romance at all. Kasumi and Tir, or Ellie and Riou, anyone?

You know, just noticed a theme in all three of those. Whether they're romances or not is still always in question, but the common thread in each is that each of the women involved appear to have a crush on the hero [or antihero in Snowe's case], but the hero/antihero is either silent or has too little onscreen time to see if the feelings are reciprocated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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The other is just the fact that Jewel is staring down Snowe when everyone is stand around talking. I swear Jewel has a crush on Snowe.

I personally wouldn't take Jewel's crush on Snowe too seriously. If you take Paula and Jewel to the bath, you find out that Jewel also seems to have the hots for Jeremy, and that she just likes to gossip about boys in general. It's also doubtful that anything developed from her crush, as at the end of the game, Snowe lives in Razril (if you didn't kill him) and Jewel returns home to Na-Nal.
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Kasumi and Tir, or Ellie and Riou, anyone?

Blargh. I hated Eilie. She is one of the reasons I am glad Riou was a silent character, because of that I saw no interest in her on Riou's part. [\rant]
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Falena wrote:
The other is just the fact that Jewel is staring down Snowe when everyone is stand around talking. I swear Jewel has a crush on Snowe


somthing about that makes me want to fly into some kind of fanish tangent. *shrugs* wander around the net, theres plenty who ogglie him. aside from that She could just be looking, somtimes people stare or stare at somthing else trying to block out whos in the way. Then again..who knows she might.

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If you take Paula and Jewel to the bath, you find out that Jewel also seems to have the hots for Jeremy, and that she just likes to gossip about boys in general


well some girls are like that, you have hots and you have deeper crushes. She knows Snowe more so maybe that makes somthing deeper .maybe because of is position in socity that also was attrative. I mean people have easy hearts, everyone is hot and everyone is up for grabs. if this is the case, seeng the rampent Snowe hating then she needs to work on her choise in men.

She could of grown out of it, just because somone has a crush dosent mean the'll be the eternal lovers, infatuation isn't love. the're don't have to be soulmates, so they go seperate ways. we all do, we grow out of crushes or realise we were stupid and theres no logic behind it (like the highschool cheerleader liking the bully all star sport player, she'll mature and laugh)

It could be possible that she likes him. I thought I read that to, Jewel says she "always kind of liked him". I took Tal and Keneth with me so I don't know what the convosations look like if you take the others. there are six or so combinations to make, its going to take some expermeting to see if she likes him "in that way".

as for the mermaid,i saw it i swear I did from the begining. "OH look mermaid" I followd her to the end when she jumps into the moonlight.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Lerayl wrote:
Yeah, Jewel has a crush on Snowe. Apparently if you take she and Paula with you at the beginning, Paula sort of teases her for it on the Deserted Island. (This is hearsay, though; I've always taken Jewel and Keneth, so.)


I took Jewel and Paula on my first game and I don't remember that. It must have been a very small thing for me not to have noticed it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The mermaids I didn't notice at first, but I noticed after I was half way through the game and just felt like watching it again.

I didn't take Jewel with me the first time. So I don't know what she says, but I did notice that Jewel does like to gossip about boys yes. It is more then possible that she had a crush on Snowe in the beginning. He was a strong figure head that everyone looked up to. He had a rich daddy, and was handsome I guess. What more could a girl want? However, I suspect that she lost the crush as the game developed.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

In the more than a little archaic SARS Suikoden IV information section, there is a section on Jewel that alludes to her relationship with Snowe. As in,

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She is very girly, and has a crush on Snowe.


Although this is from an era in which we knew little or nothing about S4, so it's probably useless "information". Haha. Still a little neat though, that the relationship was assumed even before the game was released. I wonder what made SARSad mention something like this, like if he had a source or a quote to back him up. Maybe he'll mention it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It's Tal that teases Jewel about Snowe btw, I remember it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Scarlet assassin wrote:
It's Tal that teases Jewel about Snowe btw, I remember it.

I recently replayed the game and have took Tal and Jewel with me to get that scene as well. Jewel also seemed to be the most angry towards Snowe after he tried to attack. I couldn't help but grin when she yelled "You idiot!".
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