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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: New Additions from Phase 18 Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Here is a list of new stuff from Phase 18.

1) Increase Exploration PP to 6 - Becuase the world has pretty much been explored, it'll take more effort to find new stuff-- meaning more politics points would be necessary to conduct an exploration.

2) Research (3PP) - This new option will allow a nation to research "something" of their choice. A nation needs to specify the object or theme of their research and assign up to 3 researchers and up to 1 million potch for the endeavour. The quality of the researcher (higher level the better) and bigger the budget the higher chance the research will be successful, but there is no guarantee. This option may not be available in LookingGlass for phase 18, but in that case include it within notes. Only once / phase.

3) Joint Exercises (5PP each) - Allows allied nations to fight each other for practice. The location will be neutral, and sabotage / intelligence gathering won't be allowed along with duels. Can only be done once / phase, and allies must have connected supply lines. Two nations must each spend 5PP to conduct this activity. Because this isn't a real battle, regiments won't gain full Regiment EXP from these battles, and all participating regiments will simply gain REG exp for participation (25 REG exp currently).


4) New Regiment Types (Support Regiments) - Details will be explained by Axiose

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One more thing for Phase 18. In order for nations to get their basic 25 regiment experience for the roster (or roster experience), they need to amend their DOIs.

So:

Battle at Sun's Crest
Zangor - 3000 soldiers (Borrowed from Zexen)
Pythos - 200 soldiers (Naval Unit)
Logos - 400 soldiers
Vine - 2000 soldiers (Royal Gguard)
Peppin - 4000 soldiers (Governor)
Manfried von Richthoffen - 3000 soldiers (Nation Leader)

Other units
Smelly - lent to Highland

Total roster
Zangor
Pythos
Logos
Vine
Peppin
Manfried von Richthoffen

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So the "total roster" will include units that you've borrowed, but not any you've lent. They would only appear in the rosters of the nation that have borrowed the unit.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Support Regiments
400 Regiment Experience
500,000 potch
  • Bujutsu Teacher

    Various teachers and trainers in the martial arts that have given up their fighting ways in order to train a new generation. Or due to bone-idleness. When used a support unit, provided the unit they're attached to survives, they will provide an extra +50 regiment experience to the unit and an extra +25 to all allied units that see battle in the same turn.

  • Medics

    Doctors and nurses that follow armies into battle in order to help and heal the wounded and dying. Useless as a battle unit but when used in support they will cure 20% of the unit's fallen forces provided the unit survives the battle.

  • Rune Sage

    Those gifted enough to use runic magic but lacking the training to make them an effective battle unit. When used to support another unit in battle they will destroy 10% of soldiers of the enemy forces from behind allied lines.

  • Treasure Hunters

    Not interested in land or politics, these people are only interested in profit and adventure. Joining with the army is only a way for them to make more money and beat the opposition. When used as a support unit in a defensive battle, the treasure hunters will provide double the amount of potch that would normally be received.


Note: For support units to actually work, they need to be attatched to a unit, and for that unit to survive the battle. If the unit dies, then the effect of the support unit won't happen. Support units will receieve +25 regiment experience whether the unit they're attatched to survives or not so long as they're used.

(Also, the support units may change, depending on how they work - this is more of a trial)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I assume the 400 victories was a typo for 400 REXP?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

400 victories?! :mrgreen:

I think the exploration cost increase makes a lot of sense, they'll be more sparse and less of a "that thing we do every phase" kind of activity.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Chiepoo wrote:
For support units to actually work, they need to be attatched to a unit, and for that unit to survive the battle. If the unit dies, then the effect of the support unit won't happen.


Although that is obvious (what can dead units do anyway?), the unit being supported must also has to win the round that they are in for at least the medics to work is what I was told. Do the other support units also function that way?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yes - for a Treasure Hunter unit to work, for example, they need to be attatched to a unit in order to receieve the potch bonus. Rune Sage doesn't work this way however.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Support units will receieve +25 regiment experience whether the unit they're attatched to survives or not so long as they're used.


Does this mean that no matter what they always gain only 25 reg exp, or that they gain at least 25 reg exp? And if it means as least then will they recieve the same ammount of reg exp as the attatched if the unit survives and wins?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

One more thing for Phase 18. In order for nations to get their basic 25 regiment experience for the roster (or roster experience), they need to amend their DOIs.

So:

Battle at Sun's Crest
Zangor - 3000 soldiers (Borrowed from Zexen)
Pythos - 200 soldiers (Naval Unit)
Logos - 400 soldiers
Vine - 2000 soldiers (Royal Gguard)
Peppin - 4000 soldiers (Governor)
Manfried von Richthoffen - 3000 soldiers (Nation Leader)

Other units
Smelly - lent to Highland

Total roster
Zangor
Pythos
Logos
Vine
Peppin
Manfried von Richthoffen

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So the "total roster" will include units that you've borrowed, but not any you've lent. They would only appear in the rosters of the nation that have borrowed the unit.

(Also, the support units may change, depending on how they work - this is more of a trial)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Failure_Urn wrote:
Does this mean that no matter what they always gain only 25 reg exp, or that they gain at least 25 reg exp? And if it means as least then will they recieve the same ammount of reg exp as the attatched if the unit survives and wins?


Well, they'll get 25 reg exp as all units do if they're included in the roster.

Then 25 if they win or lose. They can't get more than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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If we attach a Bujutsu Teacher to a Joint Excersize, will all units get 50 REXP in the battle instead of 25 even though 25 REXP is the participation bonus?

If we attach multiple Bujutsu Teachers in a single battle, will the effects compound? Like if we attach 3 units with Bujutsu Teachers will each unit victorious get the +50 REXP added effects and all other unused units get +75 REXP?


1 - No. Support units can't be used in the a Joint Excerise

2 - No, you can't use multiple Bujutsu Teacher's in the same turn.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New Additions from Phase 18 Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Vextor wrote:
2) Research (3PP) - This new option will allow a nation to research "something" of their choice.


Is "something" meant to be as nebulous as an exploration location? Or should it be upon something more specific?

In other words, should research simply have a location or should it be about something, like an item or topic of study?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Do support units need to occupy a position on a ship to be used in naval battles? Also, do support units count towards the maximum number of units in a battle roster?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: New Additions from Phase 18 Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Tony Stark wrote:
Vextor wrote:
2) Research (3PP) - This new option will allow a nation to research "something" of their choice.


Is "something" meant to be as nebulous as an exploration location? Or should it be upon something more specific?

In other words, should research simply have a location or should it be about something, like an item or topic of study?

Something will be anything you like. Be creative (because I'm not) and if all you say is "I want to research" I'll give you a recipe for meatloaf. Be creative and be specific!

Specific creativity makes the world go round!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Timbo, yes they need to have a position on a boat and yes they occupy a slot in the roster.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

So you can have more than one support regiment in your battle. For example 1 for every Main regiment going into battle turn 1?
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