Do you think Jillia was pregnant?

Masa · Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

It's possible, but since Queen never mentioned having a whiny brat to feed, I don't think it's likely.
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Raww Le Klueze · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:

Ujitsuna · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject:

ferrouslupusrex · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:48 am Post subject:

If you can please look at it. You will see that it was one hand. She stood up and held/touch her belly with 1 hand. I am well aware that her default pose is the pious "hands together on the lap" sprite but the best ending showed that she only used 1 hand. Her sprite did not change back to her default pious pose and their copulation may have happened a lot of times even before Joey contemplated abdicating the throne.
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Onimaru · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

Indeed well that doesn't nessesarily indicate that she is with child. She could have been nervous, her stomach in knots. Have you ever been so worried that you felt naucious? If there was ever a time to be nervous it would be while you're life and livlihood was coming down around you, you're home sacked friends and family killed out in the streets and husband out on the front not sure if he'd return.

Or she could have just gotten her belly button pierced and it was still a little tender.
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ferrouslupusrex · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:37 am Post subject:

A belly ring? I guess. After all those highland women with their loose morals are surely game for such self mutilation/beautification :)
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Ujitsuna · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:22 am Post subject:

It is an interesting theory, maybe you could write a few points on it and turn it into a speculation? If she was pregnant, perhaps it was the baby who was used by the Highland loyalists to stage the High-East Rebellion? It would be unlikely they try to without a candidate for the monarchy.

Aurelien · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:48 am Post subject:

I definitely don't think that Jillia was pregnant at all. There are a few reasons as to why I think that way.

1. The Dunan Unification War.
From the moment when Jowy married Jillia, until the moment of their goodbyes, the Dunan Unification War was going on. During the war, I don't think Jowy would think of making babies when there's a country to run, and a war to win. I can understand if he was expected to have someone to continue the Blight family bloodline, but at the same time, there was no reason at all for him to hurry when there is a more pressing matter to attend.

2. Jowy's age.
We don't really know his exact age, but we can speculate that he was in his late teens during the Dunan Unification War. While there's no direct information to say that teenagers can't have babies in Suikoden world, I think it's quite reasonable to assume that teenagers aren't portrait to be having babies in Suikoden world.

3. The Marriage.
Was it out of love? Or was it purely strategic move by Mr. Atreides? For me, it was a combination of both. It wasn't exactly love, but it was more like he had a crush on her when he was a boy and then he was in position of marrying her. The marriage was definitely a strategic move too as it would ensure that Jowy would be on the throne once Luca is out of the picture. So while I believe it's a bit of combination between love and strategy, the strategic part seems to be the more dominant factor among the two.

4. What's the purpose of having babies?
In relation to point number 1, there was a war going on. Jowy might've planned to win, but he was under no circumstance thinking that Riou would just give up and end the war right there and then with Highland as the victor. With the war still going on when the marriage happened, having a baby would be beneficial or a mistake depending on the outcome of the war. If Highland won, then having a baby would be a good thing as there will be a Blight successor in the future. But if Highland won, that means Jowy would have time to make babies later on after the victory is secured. There is no reason for him to hurry himself in making babies. Now if Highland lost, Jowy wouldn't have wanted to have a successor in fear of the future as he would prefer the Blight family line to end with him. Knowing that Highland might still lose the war, I don't think that Jowy would go for having babies too quick.

5. Jillia in Harmonia.
At the end when Jowy, Riou, and Nanami peeked at Jillia in Harmonia, she was clearly not gaining any weight to indicate her carrying a baby inside her. Considering that it should've been at least a few months since the wedding, change in physical appearance should be noticable by then. I don't believe that making babies would be done near to the goodbyes as by that time, Highland was starting to lose the war. Jowy would've been more and more reluctant with the idea of having a baby when he knew that the war wouldn't be won as easily as he thought. So if there was such act of making babies, it must've been done early in their marriage which should've led into Jillia getting larger in physique when she was in Harmonia. Such thing simply didn't happen.
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Ujitsuna · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:29 am Post subject:

Interesting points Aurelien, but I think some of them can't really be applied to Highland.

Aurelien · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:

Hayashi Ujitsuna, I don't mean to say that Jowy and Jillia never had time to be alone. My point is that making babies is not a priority from Jowy's point of view when there's a war going on. Jowy likes to make long-term plan. He switched side to Highland after being captured after already planning that he would get to Luca's good side, then betrayed him, then killed him, then succeeded him as the new king of Highland. That's the whole plan and it was a success.

Now apply the same method of planning when it comes to having a successor during a war. If you think about it, the long-term plan about having a successor or not having a successor would largely depend on whether Highland win the war, or lose the war. This is something that Jowy can't be really sure of that he could pull easily. Though he'd like to think that Highland would win the war once he got the throne, he knew that they haven't won yet. Trying to have a successor when the war hadn't been won would be a blunder for his long-term plan. That's why I think he wouldn't have been too hasty to do so. If Highland was losing, his plan included of "killing" Jillia so that he was the only Blight remaining. If Highland really lost, his plan included of sending Jillia away to a new country with a new identity so that in public's eyes, Jowy would still be the only Blight remaining. Having a successor would easily ruin that plan as Jowy wanted the Blight family line to end there if Highland lost. Ending Blight family line is very important in Jowy's mind for Dunan to achieve peace so that there is no rebellion or whatnot after Jowston won the Dunan Unification War.

No matter how many people would try to encourage Jowy-Jillia to have an heir as quick as possible, I don't think Jowy could be forced to do so just because other people wanted him to do that. His plan would not include trying to make babies ASAP. He would know that if he won the war, then there would be time for that later on. If he lost the war, it would've been better that there was no heir yet at that time. Regardless of the outcome of the war, having a heir could definitely wait in his plan.

ferrouslupusrex · Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:45 am Post subject:

I am going to replay the whole thing again and get all the qoutes, screenshots and clips necessary to validate this speculation.

BTW the higheast rebellion was what 5 years before the 2nd grasslands war? Jowy's child would have been roughly 10 but Harmonia would not need that particular information to invade Highland. They had designs for highland as suspected by Shu saying that the help by Harmonia would require a high price.
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Sir Kan of Grassland · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject:

I do not think that she was pregnant cause they offer cut open her belly and that would have killed the baby.

John Layfield · Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject:

That wasn't Jillia, it was a dummy.
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Geddoe-9 · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:41 am Post subject:

They had sex at the last scene. at least thats what i want them to do

Master McDohl · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:

Jowy and Jillia Blight had no heir at any time we followed their lives. They may still have plans for a child now that the child would no longer be considered an heir ( unless the Highland Kingdom magically rose once again from dust ). During a time of war it's beyond stupid to try and make an heir with your spouse. What if the day after she tells you she's pregnant your nation is hit with three crushing defeats, and your enemy has allied with another nation?

Things like that can't be helped, and things like that shouldn't be in the picture when you're talking about raising a child. Jowy knew that; he was a smooth plot maker and excellent at making plans. I actually am inclined to say that having a child was the last thing on his mind after he killed Luca and took the throne for his own. Not to say that Jillia wasn't on his mind. :)
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