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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Lazlo's Survival |
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There seem to be conflicting views as to why Lazlo was not killed when Brandeau used the Rune of Punishment on him early on in Suikoden IV.
Theories:
1. Lazlo had a natural affinity with the Rune of Punishment as he was born whilst the Queen of Obel had the rune itself.
2. The spirit of the Queen of Obel (or the memories of her) living inside the Rune of Punishment saved Lazlo by interfering with the spell being cast, protecting only Lazlo.
3. The Rune of Punishment itself chose not to kill Lazlo, perhaps seeing the future it would have with him somehow.
There might be more, and since there is no official story on this (to my knowledge) what do you think the most appropriate is, or likely to be? My personal opinion at this point in time makes me think number one is the most likely. This would explain why Lazlo is able to use it for a longer period of time without dying in comparison to the people who had it before him and died using it only once or twice. However this part of the theory can be rebutted by the supposed power of the stars of destiny helping Lazlo, and his survival not being his own doing at all.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Lazlo's mother's spirit residing in the Rune of Punishment protects him somehow. That and the ever-helpful 108 Stars of Destiny.
Also, the Rune of Punishment moved from Graham Cray to his son, not the other way around. _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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John Layfield wrote: |
Lazlo's mother's spirit residing in the Rune of Punishment protects him somehow. That and the ever-helpful 108 Stars of Destiny. |
But Lazlo hadn't recruited any of the stars of destiny at that point in time.
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Also, the Rune of Punishment moved from Graham Cray to his son, not the other way around. |
Oops, yeah you are right, I think I'll edit that part out. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Mother at the start, for the whole Brandeau thing. Both for the whole "The Rune of Punishment is now in its atonement phase, so go nuts with it, kiddo." part. _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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It could have also been, Brandeau was on his last legs of life, and just didn't have the power to kill anybody. If I remember, there were several others there that didn't die from the spell. I'll admit it's not fresh in my mind, but Brandeau was just about dead himself, and there were Knights in front of him then it was Glenn and finally behind them all, was Lazlo. _________________ Be awed by our prowess!
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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A green shield literally appeared in front of Lazlo, stopping the spell from hitting him. _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't that have been his affinity to the rune though? A shield showing up doesn't seem like the rune itself protecting Lazlo, seems more like an external thing. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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It's also "coincidentally" (and if you believe it's a coincidence, I'm leaving right now) the exact same shield that surrounds his mother at the end of the game. _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Lazlo’s affinity being a reason is mostly speculation due to the fact that there is no source that explains how people gain affinities nor that they can do much more than increasing damage and the such. Had Lazlo’s affinity been the reason it would have been explained and seems much less intriguing than his mother protecting him, which was what was hinted the reason being. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I hope Uji didn't mean to say that Lazlo survived because he had an S in Punishment magic compared to Brandeau's C. :P Because, if he is I'll hunt him down and strangle him myself. _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Can a big green shield really be called a hint? Seems to me they're outrightly saying it is his mom. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Did it? Shows how much I remember of that particular game. I'll have to take a look at it. Then yeah, I'll go with the spirit of his mother inside the Rune protecting him. _________________ Be awed by our prowess!
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sophita wrote: |
Can a big green shield really be called a hint? Seems to me they're outrightly saying it is his mom. |
Yeah, funnily enough they never confirmed that the Queen of Obel was his mom either. Case of spelling things out without dirctly sayng them. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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AT Field, anyone? :P
I definately dont remember the thing about his mother at the end of the game. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that's nice to know but she's there.
PS She is the Queen of Obel. :P _________________ One day, I shall come back. Yes, we shall all come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine. |
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