Demons in Suikoden

[Onimaru]

Demons, Devils, Oni - call them whatever you want, but I've noticed a strong connection with these demonic beings and the world of suikoden. In suikoden these beings orginate from a "World of Emptiness", this is a subject that has been greatly overlooked in the past. Simply discarded as another useful bit of lore for the suikoden wolrd. Or is it?

On one hand we have characters like windy with her front gate rune which she used to summon 80,000 monsters from this abyssmal plane. Among these creatures was her servant Yuber, a posessor of his own demonic true rune. We also have the "Fog Ship" which i belive to be some sort of alternate mode of transportation, taking the souls of the damned from the suikoworld to this seperate plane. A "charon and the river styx" sort of deal. Other interesting "demon" related tidbits of the story include: Rikimaru's sword (Yasutsuna, Onimaru, Dojikiri) directly relates to Japanese mytholigy concerning demons (i'm sure the topic of Rikimaru's sword has already been discussed). Yohn - A creature summoned from the World of Empiness. The Giant Tree, The Eye Fish, 'etc...the list goes on and on. This alternate realm has played a rather large part in the discontent in the land of suikoden, perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.

There are also an abundance of monsters we fight such as Mirrages, Demon Hounds, Demon Sorcerer, Devil Armor and Ekidonna that are very demonic (it's in their names). Just exactly what ties does this demon world have with the suikoden universe, and how will it play a part in future games? Do you think it is just another intricate detail in the story, something that's useful for explaining where the monsters were from and gives Yuber a little backround. Or do you think this will play a major role in future games, perhaps the final game?

[retrospect.]

i think it's mostly just a convenient excuse to have powerful enemies, really. any japanese game will have a stock "demon empire" to fight instead of other people.
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[Wolf Stew]

I don't think the world you're referring to (the World of Emptiness) is a demonic world, rather it's just a place where monsters originate from. There's never been any mention of the world being controlled by a super demon or a devil. I've always been under the impression that it was a wild land (in some kind of alternate dimension) where monsters roam free. And apparently there are good beings from that world too, as evidenced by Yohn in Rhapsodia.

[Onimaru]

Hm, true - Yohn wasn't a being of evil, so I suppose anything is possible. Perhaps a Suiko that takes place in this alternate world? That might be interesting and give a little more insight on certain characters or specific runes.

I dont know though, I can't shake the feeling that there is more to this reference than just being an easy answer for powerful monsters, I want to think that they are setting the fondation for something bigger.
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[Galt]

The World of Emptiness is also the place where people go to when they die. One example is Mr. Walter, the man who did stuff with a goat.

[Onimaru]

Then would Windy have the power to summon people back from the grave???
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[Wolf Stew]

Well, Leknaat definitely summoned Gremio back from the grave, although the 108 stars had something to do with that power, I think.

If Leknaat could do it, I assume Windy could do it as well, if the conditions were right.

[Onimaru]

Well I specifically say Windy because she holds the front gate rune, which I belive is somehow connected with the "world of emptiness" correct? She summoned 80,000 monsters from that plane - if that's where the dead go, then i could see her w/ the ability to bring the dead back to the world of the living.
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[TruePerception]

Leknaat can summon too! How do you think Luc learned?
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[Vextor]

Oh yes, the dead would go to the world of emptiness, but once they go there, they'll likely be transformed into something completely different (monsters) as evidenced by the rune cannon, eye dragon, etc. Without Leknaat's miraculous power combined with the 108 stars super duper power, Gremio may have returned as some sort of mushroom monster... maybe.

[Jossef]

[Ujitsuna]

[Sun's Vicegerent]

Actually the only thing I noticed about the World of Emptiness from Suikoden tactics, is that it seems to house a lot of fish monsters.. or rather living humans who enter that certain portal become fish monsters and nothing else.

So I assume when your dead, you can hopefully become something that.. isn't a fish?
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[Justice Johnny]

[Ujitsuna]