Iran condemns Hollywood war epic (300)

Sailor Sexy · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject:

I think that Iran is trying to get attention, and they seem to be succeeding to an extent. No one should have written an article on this because no one should care what Iran thinks. They're going to complain about anything that says Iran, or in this case the Persians, isn't the greatest nation on earth. While the movie is hardly historically accurate, the end result was an asskicking dished out to the Persians, so if they wanna whine about their past ineptitudes, let them.
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Milan Fiori · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject:

Spoilers kind of: Do the Spartans still lose in the movie? I haven't seen it either, but I know the history behind it fairly well.[/spoilers]

I mean, I don't know what exactly they're trying to preserve historically. Pretty much everyone in the time were bastards. And from the Greek standpoint, the Persians WERE the Axis of evil. I mean, the Greeks only stopped killing each other long enough to kill Persians. And even then, it was more "Hah! We Athenians killed more Persians than you stupid Spartans! Neener!" or which either way a certain battle went.

I'd have to see the movie to really comment on it, but there's not a lot to be really historically proud of...
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Tullaryx · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject:

Really, this is just a ploy by the Iran government to keep themselves out in the forefront of attention. The story was based on history but it was stylized and told as an embellished tale by another Spartan. Sort of like Homer writing the Illiad and adding Gods, monsters and superhuman abilities to some of the characters. One thing that can't be disputed whether one watches the movie or reads the historical account of the Battle of Thermopylae that the movie was based on: The Persians got their ass kicked.
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Sophita · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject:

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Yvl · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:

The guy's already reputed t obe paranoid and illogical, so I don't take much seriously from Iran anymore. I'm going to see 300 now, just to spite him. Seriously.
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Wataru · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

Does ANYONE give ANY credibility to ANYTHING the Iranian government says or does anymore? Really?
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Gil-galad · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:

To be honest, I really don't think the average American going to see this movie makes any connection what so ever between Persia and Iran. Even asking a person where Ancient Persia was located, they'd probably draw a blank.

So yes, the Iranian government is out to grab more attention, just like their Holocaust Conference stunt.
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Sailor Sexy · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject:

Milan Fiori · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject:

You have to understand how Ancient Greece worked. The Spartans got huge bragging rights for what they did. Sparta now gets to go "Neener Neener, Athens, Corinth and whoever else wasn't there, but we were! Nyah!"

The same thing happened ten years earlier with the Battle at Marathon. Athens got all the glory, and basically rubbed Sparta's face in it.
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Inko · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject:

This is kind of redicilus, I too doubt that the majority of kids today even know that Persia changed it's name to Iran in 1935. Also when I saw the movie it never ever passed though my mind that Iran's ancestors are a bunch of tards so to speak.

retrospect. · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject:

Tullaryx · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject:

Yes, the Persians won that battle, but Leonidas and the Greek force in his command was never suppose to do more than hold up the Persian Army for as long as possible until the rest of the forces from all over the Aegean Peninsula could mobilize.

The stand the 300 Spartans (and 1000 or so Thespians who stayed) did may have been quixotic in the end since Xerxes Army finally surrounded them and wiped them out to the man, it did give the rest of Greece time to formulate a counterattack and also give Themostecles time to batter the Persian Navy.

So, despite losing at Thermopylae, Leonidas and his greatly outnumbered force did more than damage Persian morale. He also gave the Greek navy time to put the Persian navy into disarray and cut off any support from the sea. It also extended the Persian supply lines to the the point that supplies for the bulk of Xerxes army rarely made it in time to support the troops.

Leonidas and his small force's stand also galvanized the Greek force afterwards. It became their battle-cry. Just like the Alamo became the rallying cry for Texas and the U.S. force when they went to war against Santa Ana and the Mexico. So, despite still having more men than the rest of the Greeks, Xerxes and his army lost whatever psychological advantage it had with its numbers. The Spartans (and Thespians) showed that Greek tactics, equipment and training would trump superior numbers everytime. If 300 Spartans could inflict such heavy casualties on the Persian army then what would 9000+ do on territory well-known to the Greeks.

That's what I meant when I said the Persian's got their ass-kicked.
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Yvl · Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject:

I just saw the movie, and I really can't see how anyone could get upset over this. If its as historically accurate as it seems to be, then nobody has a right to complain... but then the Iranian president isn't exactly known for his prowess in history.
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