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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yeah, the easiest answer for Yuber's case is that we simply don't know yet what he is. He's not human, so it's possible that him being not a human what allowed the teleportation.

Pesmerga is a tricky case as well. If he's the same race as Yuber, then it's possible that he could teleport. It's hard to say though because so far Pesmerga has always been optional and never storyline related in the game. So we never seen anything worthy enough of him to conclude anything about him being able to teleport or not.

I expect Sierra to be able to teleport as well, but my opinion is that she's a "lazy" person (well, lazy vampire). So lazy that she didn't want to use teleportation. But I could be wrong.

The old man in Cave of Wind is a mysterious man. That's the best answer you can get out of anyone really. Another possibility is that he's there simply for gameplay purpose of tricking the player to get out of the cave so that they'd repeat the whole process.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

first i would just like to say the in my view that teleporting is something more than just getting a rune and using the spells provided. this can be easily explained because NOT EVERYONE CAN DO IT. I also believe it's a Sindar technique or some other ancient civilization.

Windy, Luc, Leknaat, etc.(true runer bearers) can teleport cause they've been alive for atlease a hundred years! i think they would pick a thing up or maybe even two? as for Ted not being able to do it well wasn't he running for most of his life? soooo wouldn't it be pratical to say he didn't have much time to study.

Neclord.....i agree that there are different types of vampires. Can't Neclord change into a bunch of bats once to escape. So maybe he doesn't teleport but shapeshifts.

NINJAS my favorite characters ever! well here's my thought....i think they use a technique like BLINK from Warcraft 3. and of course they do use shadows and terrian to their advantage unlike most people. soo i think that it's not much of teleporting more of unseen.

Now on to the Non-True Rune Bearers that can teleport. Mazus and Cowley are extremely good magicians!! they could even be reincarnated sooo teleporting doesn't seem soo absurd. as for all the magicians in S3 well they couldn't teleport very far maybe a few feet but that's it so i think they uses a short range teleportion skill.

VIKI is on psycho gal. we can't really make that good of speculations because hell we don't even know what her hometown looks like. all i know for sure is that she can telephone people quite well. she can teleport through time and even meet herself! now why is the younger viki much more intelligent than the old viki???? cause the younger one seems like she can actually control here ability to teleport through time.

ok now on to Yuber.......well he's not human soo it seems to fit that he can teleport. But can't he also summon hordes of monsters soooo teleporting shouldn't phase him. plus he had the help of luc and that might be why he learned the technique cause he taught him.

as for sarah wasn't she in Harmonia and called the witch and was confined and stuff? soooo he magic must of been something to fear and teleporting seems to be something luc taugh her. cause if she knew how to teleport before she would of just escaped Harmonia with ease soooo this must all link back to Windy Leknaat and Luc!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sarah only really mastered her sorcery under the tutelage of Luc and Leknaat. As a child, she was called a witch because she was born with a flowing rune, and that she had unusually high magic mastery. Thus, here teleportation skills like her sorcery were probably only learnt when she was taken in by Leknaat and Luc.

Viki knows how to teleport because that's what she specialises in? Meh... Well, she can teleport herself with ease as well. Not just for other people.

Neclord's case, he was seen teleporting in S2. Yes, he can turn into bats and stuff, but so can most other vampires i suppose. Sierra was seen doing that as well. I suppose i could agree that Sierra can teleport, and it is just that she's too lazy. Aside from that, there wasn't any chance to see her teleport was there? Who knows, in her travelling after leaving Nash, she could have teleported and stuff. It just wasn't show in game play scenes.

And well, highly skilled magic users who research magic probably learn how to teleport... And Ninjas would have their special teleporting technique.

Now since we're on the topic of magicians, although this is a little of topic, who exactly is Estella? What is her history and stuff? She claims to be an even stronger magician than the ancient Magus Crowley? And Piccolo... He's Crowley's third student? Who's the second? I'd have guessed Estella actually, but...

These two, are there more information about them? I'm always intrigued by magically inclined characters in Suikoden. Story wise that is. I never use them in gameplay...

ETA: And you know, about that old man in cave of winds. Actually, it IS possible to walk back against the winds and resume the journey through the caves without having to use the old man to get out and enter again. If you place the boulders in the correct position, it is possible. Just a slight tid bit...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Windy, Luc, Leknaat, etc.(true runer bearers) can teleport cause they've been alive for atlease a hundred years! i think they would pick a thing up or maybe even two?

Luc was only 32 years old in S3. So he hadn't lived for hundreds of years.

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as for Ted not being able to do it well wasn't he running for most of his life? soooo wouldn't it be pratical to say he didn't have much time to study.

It would be logical though for him to study teleportation since it would be VERY useful for him to run from one place to another with teleportation.

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NINJAS my favorite characters ever! well here's my thought....i think they use a technique like BLINK from Warcraft 3. and of course they do use shadows and terrian to their advantage unlike most people. soo i think that it's not much of teleporting more of unseen.

I disagree because it was clear enough to see that Kage "teleported" out of the room in Muse because there was nowhere to "hide". Also, as mentioned before, Sasuke and Mondo teleported from Rokkaku to N.Window. There was no point at all to use "unseen technique" because they didn't need to be unseen at all. For all we know, they could walk if they want to and no one would bother them.

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ETA: And you know, about that old man in cave of winds. Actually, it IS possible to walk back against the winds and resume the journey through the caves without having to use the old man to get out and enter again. If you place the boulders in the correct position, it is possible. Just a slight tid bit...

True, but I was just saying that players who didn't know about him in the first place would most likely get tricked into going out. Or he is simply there to offer alternative so that the players wouldn't get stuck in the cave had they positioned the boulders wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

And aside from the fact that Luc is only 32 in S3, he already knew how to teleport at 14 in S1, so...

For Ted, i'd just say he wasn't one that is very interested in magic, and the fact that he's still young. Thus, he probably doesn't have the kind of chance to learn the technique of teleportation. For Luc however, he was under the tutelage of Leknaat, thus, Leknaat would have taught him teleportation methods even when he was young.

Similarly for Sarah. Basically, those who know teleporting are either adults who've lived a long time, or those under the tutelege of adults... For someone like Ted, who roamed about as a child, wouldn't be able to learn teleporting like that.

Also, i'd feel Piccolo and Estella SHOULD be able to teleport, since Piccolo being Crowley's third student would allow him to, and Estella, since she claims to be on par with Crowley himself....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

In the Suikoden series teleporting proved to be very important every time we had to travel into the Suikoden world, since a tiny amount of people have the ability to teleport.

During this time, we have seen many people who can teleport; some of them were true rune bearers, some with special powers (like Viki), and some were ordinary people.

When I thought about it a little more, I got convinced that anyone could do it if they had enough power to do the teleportation. What made me convinced of it, is when I saw Estella and Piccolo teleport in the fight to get closer to the enemy.

About the true rune bearers:
Some of them are able to teleport because it is said that true runes have many powers, and some can not even when they hold a true rune. In there cases maybe they can not teleport because they are not yet able to control the full power of the true rune.

About the people with special powers:
Some people might think that Viki can teleport because of her skill (Blinking Magic), but I do not think so, because this skill only gives her the ability to use blinking magic spells. I think that she is capable of teleporting because of her own will like Sarah, which proves that not everyone with the skill (Blinking Magic) can teleport, and even because the ones who did teleport for a short distance did not have this skill.

About the ordinary people:
What I meant about the ordinary people is that they are neither a character nor true rune bearers, like the old man in the cave of the wind who offers you an easy way to exit the cave after you got the pale gate rune.

Well after all of this, what I got in conclusion is that teleporting is a tool which can be used by whom are willing to use it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

In battle you do see Estella and Piccolo teleport (more like blink). So perhaps they are able to teleport longer distances.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don`t think that simply having a True Rune automatically grants you the ability to teleport. We always see Sarah teleporting the Destroyers around in S3, so it`s probably some technique she`s studied, maybe from the Sindar, or learned from Leknaat. The same goes for Luc in S1. Or maybe she has a rare Rune which is a higher form of Blinking(just has Water has Flowing, Fire has Rage and so on).

What the ninjas, Sydonia and the magicians in S3 do is only for very short ranges and quite different from what Sarah does, with the "drop" falling from above and everyone sinking into the ground.

Oh, and I didn`t read the entire thread, so I`m sorry if what I said has been written several times already.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The easiest explaination is that anyone who studies and is good with magic should also master the art of teleportation as simply a branch of magic. This holds true for everyone who knows how to teleport except for the ninjas and Sydonia who uses some other technique.

Crowley, Mazus Windy, Leknaat, Luc, Yuber, Sarah, Viki, and even Estella and Piccolo, Sasarai are people skilled with magic and specialise in studying magic, and they all teleport.

Viki is a special case since she specialises in teleportation magic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Gwendal wrote:
What the ninjas, Sydonia and the magicians in S3 do is only for very short ranges and quite different from what Sarah does, with the "drop" falling from above and everyone sinking into the ground.

Mondo and Sasuke both teleported from Rokkaku Hamlet to N.Window castle. That's definitely long range and not short range at all, considering that there was a river between the two places and stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Of course, one could argue that they didn't teleport directly to Northwind, but instead made short quick distances and got there like that...

Of course, if Konami actually mentioned that they teleported to Nwind, then forget this comment...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I thought when Mondo and Sasuke teleported, it wasn't teleporting. Just some cool way of exiting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

That wouldn't really make sense for me though. I mean, they didn't need to "blink" out of the room at all, and it would be pointless for them to "blink" out of the room and then only for them to walk to N.Window or "blinking" numerous times until they reached N.Window.

But then again, I could be very wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Teleporting is a skill that you can learn but only if you'r good enough to Geddoe was'nt that good, and ninajs I think just cloaks them selfs and run like when Jowy told Pilika that it was the wind going by but it was Kage.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Maybe it's just Escape Talisman/Scroll... remember how that thing worked in Suikoden III? You simply 'blinked' out of the dungeon/area that you are in... har.
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