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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1/2. I truly believe that it exist. How can I not, living in a country that most of the people believe in mysticism? and I have seen a lot of proof. I've seen a lot of "magic'" case, but it's not like the Disney magic where you can fly or anything, but it's kind of black magic where you paid the shaman/magician to perform a magic that could hurt both physically and mentally to the target. A lot of people with high position in the goverment done this a lot to their political enemy. I have seen the real case, it happened to my friend's father. His stomach was greatly hurt, and when the hospital do an operation, they found metals in his stomach. There's a lot of case like that here. I'm a Muslim too, and like Starslasher said, Quran told us that sorcery exist.

3. No I don't. it's forbidden in my religion. And I don't see the goodness of gaining more than God has given to every human
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?
As an empiricist who needs concrete, physical, undeniable, evidence for something to be held true, no, I don't believe magic exists. And I don't think we'll ever be able to prove it. Tarot cards and other things like that are just carny tricks. Watch your wallets, because the only magic these people can do is make your money disappear.

If the magic you're thinking of is some sort of internal powers a person might possess, then you're fighting the same fight as ESP and remote viewing. Hence, a waste of time.

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
Having said that, I think we all have magic until we become teenagers... The world is so fresh and vibrant, full of unexplainable phenomena, as kids we can't get our heads around a magic show, a movie with tremendous special effects, or even a meteor shower. *sigh* Intelligence is a curse.

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
Oh god no, I would probably blow up Las Vegas or something. I just want to be left alone in my house and not be bothered by any of you spell-casting psychopaths!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?

I did, but my faith in these things is dying horribley. Mainly I guess, like some that the magic isnt allowed here. I wanted to write a whole "thesis" on fantasy magic made logical, by explaing levels and types. in the lowest end one, a sorceror prays and asks and hopefully is alllowed so seek the help from lets say a slyph, said slyph hears call, opens gate to world that ins't the magic/spirit animal realm, and then does some magic stuffs. On the highest end, you create the wind from no wind. I call this "creator-god" magic. Mostly CGM is't leant, one is born with it, edit when the soul is conserned, CGM's mainly create themselfs on the highest level. also...i'm trying to figure out the types.

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
it would be nice, everyone's heart asks for a break from the mundane, but I need evidence. the only magic zi can see is some techno or "mind magic" . On LJ I ran across a community for "time magic" this is highly intersting. I used to think I could do somthing, but thats for the next question. but untill I can meet a fire slinging sorceror. My faith lies low. Channling and astral travle will go into the same box as well. those skills are pretty hard to master. as well as comanding dragons.

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
I belive I'm banned from magic, a friend said he sealed my power and threw away the key, I don't know who gave him the power to make such judgments. others told me "the universe" took it away, really, if your ears bleed because some idiot still can't make the insturment or voice sound good, by all means, silence them. anway I do see that I'd be destructive, or charge people for healing. I'm suppose to break the gate from this mudane world to a more magical one, or bring it to here (wow cool huh) and hurt people. I didnt come up with this. its just having your friend say stuff and say they will play hero thats the most hurtfull. well I do win, and get vengence-killed. but still. one reason I've taken to the "traitor characters" latly. so again, I'd like the magic, but I can't use it, and I'm not allowed. I don't even think I could dabble in quasi things like "astral traval", I'd learn somting, I'd hurt somone. and when I come back, and if dragging what I have with me.....things won't be good.

I can always pretend it will never happen, never did and is all a joke. so lets ok?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Your definitons of the word "magic" are vague, Starslasher. I would recommend that you try to narrow down the definitions before you get people too involved in just "answering the question" as opposed to discussing the topic.

Let's start with the Oxford English Dictionary:

... woah, I get a LOT of definitions. Anyway, it basically boils down to the below:

1. "The pretended art of influencing the course of events, and of producing marvellous physical phenomena, by processes supposed to owe their efficacy to their power of compelling the intervention of spiritual beings, or of bringing into operation some occult controlling principle of nature; sorcery, witchcraft. Also, the practice of this art."

From the OED, it seems that:

- magic has to be marvellous and spectacular.
- magic has to be attributed to spiritual beings, or by some occult principle (i.e. ritualism of some sort).

I think that might be a fundamental reason why people aren't really sure they believe in magic. Magic has a literal meaning, but also a lot of suggestion as well. It's a very ambiguous term. Some use it to define it as tricks a stage magician uses. Some may see magic as something that is inexplicable by modern science. Others may believe it to be the power to manipuate the world around you with naught but your spirit and will. Many see it as special powers granted to you by your God(s)/Goddess(es).

Was there a particular type of magic or philsophy that you wanted us to talk about, or did you just want to learn what our definitions of magic were?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I haven't been here before... might as wel join in some of this...

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?

Yeah I believe it exists... I try to not restrict myself from thinkin about what is possible and what is impossible... I just see magic as another ordinary thing in life, I also believe in it because I have seen it on television (I know, it is all trickery and not magic, but some things are just too much to think it's just tricks and stuff) I also believe in necromancy... in the counrty known as Hates, it is said that if you go there you can see zombies walking around... not literally, but like people like me... lol people who say no more than a few words a day... but to make things worse than me, I ehard that some have been seen not eating or drinking and other creepy things like that... where'd I hear all this crap from? mates, newspapers and internet...

After watching anime and playing many games, I have believed in magic for quite a while now and even though I find no logic in how this works and no scientific explanation, I still refuse to listen and carry on believe... IM A BELIEVER!

I seriously believe in Black Magic though... from Nigeria, I want to go there and learn a few of it myself lol... I have seen and heard about many different types of black magic being used... something about an egg, cursed by a sorceror or something and then sold to someone... that someone should whisper or mutter someone's name to the egg three times and break it... the person will then... :shock: yeah... a load of shhh.... but you never know until it's too late... so all in all, I believe that magic exists somewhere and maybe everywhere...

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?

half yes and Half no... the magics that I believe in is most opposing and damaging magics like black magic, and poer lusting magics and stuff... like nrcromany from great necromancers... all that summoning the dead thing really gets me a nice bloodthirsty feeling going through me :twisted: and yeah I am serious... I don't believe in those teleportation magics as I have seen ways of how they can be fake... once I see a way around the trick showing that it is fake, I no longer believe in that type of magic you know?I seriously am confused about the cut in half one though... but anyway, I do believe IN magic hehehe...

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?

Whoever were to be the one to give me access to it must be a mad idiotic lunatic... but to answer the question, yeah I would... no matter what magic it is as long as it is powerful hehehe... but I say this now that no such power of any sort must fall into my hands as I promise not peace and love, but hate and revenge... vengeance!!! someone I don't like the look of? hehehe die... there... now you know why no such magic must be mine... I am crazy... (truth is though I would never take a life... but damage is ok hehehe...) :twisted:

JNX out
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Oh, i didn't know that the title of this post was used in a MacDonald's commercial...oh well. I guess it's different in other places....

JNX wrote:
no matter what magic it is as long as it is powerful hehehe... but I say this now that no such power of any sort must fall into my hands as I promise not peace and love, but hate and revenge... vengeance!!! someone I don't like the look of? hehehe die... there... now you know why no such magic must be mine... I am crazy...

lol, yeah, good joke. But yeah, seriosuly people do get involved in sorcery for reasons like that according to your religous books. More specifically, envy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Oh, i didn't know that the title of this post was used in a MacDonald's commercial...oh well. I guess it's different in other places....


Actually, the McDonald's line was taken from a song. A rather catchy one, really. ^_^;

(First verse only)

Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

Anyway.

This is an...Odd topic.

Not odd in a bad way, just odd in a "Logically, of course magic doesn't exist. Now...What do I think about it..." kind of way.

I think Faraday sums it up best with "Nothing is too wonderful to be true..."

So yes, I believe magic exists.

Whether or not I believe in magic is another thing. I don't think it matters, really. Either magic exists whether people believe in it, or it only exists if people believe in it, so it's really best to just accept the world as it is. ::shrug:: I'd say I believe in it in the same way as I believe in a table, or my computer. I just aknowledge it's place in the world (Which, in this case, is probably one that no one has ever or will ever comprehend)

Now. If it exists, and I am able to use it, would I want to? Yes. Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?
--> I've read many books about magic, rituals, witchcraft, and etc. I have to say that I do believe that magic actually exists in this world. That is because everything is theoretically possible. But I still wonder whether all the information I've got from reading those books about magic is true or not. I want to see magic by my own eyes some day so that I can confirm that my believe that magic actually exists is right. I really do. Now I've never seen any magic other than legerdemain stage performance!

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
--> I'd have to say that I don't believe in magic. Because it's not necessary to have magic to be able to live. Most humans can't perform actual magic but they have developped sciences and technology to help them. I believe that sciences and technology are better and more useful than magic! I don't know the real reason for my believing this but perhaps it's because I'm more of a scientist than a wizard.

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
--> Well, if I were given the access to it, I'd certainly love to try it. Why not when you got the chance? :D
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?
Well yeah... because i have seen proofs of its existence...

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
Yes, because i have seen it without any tricks or cheats. although i would call it witchcraft... coz in a province in my country, a number of villagers can make paper dolls dance and those sort of things...

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
i can't decide... it would be great to have magic but people might actually fear me and try to kill me like in old times...
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe in any aspect of the paranormal including magic. Magic has never been verified independently. The burden of proof is on those who believe to explain what basis they have for doing so not for me to offer evidence of its non-existence.

I have no reason to want magic to either exist or not exist but without proof I refuse to entertain the, quite frankly, arrogant idea that we have magic abilities. You show me EVIDENCE then I believe, I am not a man who believe blindly out of hope.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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I have no reason to want magic to either exist or not exist but without proof I refuse to entertain the, quite frankly, arrogant idea that we have magic abilities. You show me EVIDENCE then I believe, I am not a man who believe blindly out of hope.

umm... if your interested, try researching philippine culture. we have many things like those healers who heal the sick with some weird things and individuals who can do some weird things... we even have those groups (cults if you want...) that claims to possess charms that makes them immune to diseases and stuff...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

No, I do not believe magic exists. I believe in "tv magic", which is just doing a bunch of behind the scene stuff to fool me while I si ton my couch. If Criss Angel really levitated across a building, I'd be watching it on the nightly news, not A&E.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?
Yes. Luck and uncertainty IS magic. Since it exists. Magic exists.

2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
See answer to question 1.

3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
Do you mean the capacity to TOTALLY control probabilities. Hell YES. I, for one, would like nothing better than see if how my ideas would turn out. With the abilities to CONTROL, as in totally control, probabilities I can get to experience all the whims I ever conjure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Do you believe that magic actually EXISTS? Why or why not?
I believe that magic exists magic because in the Holy Quarn it is written that there is magics both good and bad.
2. Do you believe IN magic? Again, why or why not?
The cheap kinds of magicians who just pull a rabbit out of a hat no but in some places there are wizards who are good and bad those I do believe in because in Oman there are many people who do magic in front of your eyes. This one time 4 sick old men in the middle of a rural souq picked up a man who was well over 300 pounds with just two fingers each.
3. Would you like to have a hand in it, if given the access to it?
As a person who comes from the centre of Oman we here are taught that magic corrupts men so I would have to say no to using magic.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The way I see the world and the subject of Magice is that. Since we were created in the shape of are creater then we should have the skills of are creater. but over time these skill became lose.

and know there are fever few people how can access these skills but there are those how can are what we would called magices or sorries.

I also belive that there are two kinds of magice. White magice and Black magice ok when I say Black magice I mean evil Magice that is ment to hurt somebody or cause harm metal and phsical.

White magice is good magice of noble magice ment to help people. you know procted people and stuff like that.
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