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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

We saw in the manga that Luc questioned Leknaat because she told him to see all those things and he wanted to know why they couldn't be stopped. Likely, it's because she could not do anything to stop it, or whatever she did could make it worse.

I see Leknaat as a person who tries to help only to preserve balance; she sides with none, only the weaker side.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

There's no doubt that part of Suikoden's meta-plot is a battle between Order and Chaos. But it's just never been said that each True Rune was a part of Order or Chaos specifically. For all we know, every True Rune represents both Order and Chaos equally, they just depend on their bearers, or current events, or the need to balance forces, or whatever, to become one or the other. There's also nothing supporting any good or bad Chaos either, that I've seen, but I may have missed something.

I should also note that the whole Order vs. Chaos thing has been completely absent from any game after Suikoden 3. It's possible that the new writers have chosen to ignore it, just like they've chosen to ignore Luc's statements about the age of the Suikoden world (the age of the old Armes dynasty in Suikoden 5 contradicts Luc's statements in Suikoden 3).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Actually, in the manga it's stated that half of the true runes are on the side of order, while the rest are in the side of chaos.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I guess the 'Twenty Seventh' Rune, in the middle, that's divided against itself in favor of order or chaos... would be the Rune of Beginning, am I right?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, you might be right, seeing that it's the only True Rune that has sub runes on either side.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Vextor wrote:
Actually, in the manga it's stated that half of the true runes are on the side of order, while the rest are in the side of chaos.


But that's the manga. If we take that fact as canon, we also have to accept all the other stuff from the manga as canon, meaning the game itself is second in canon-priority to the manga. Remember that the Suikoden 2 novel contradicts the video game of Suikoden 2, so much that the fan community doesn't consider anything from that novel to be canon (though, we still accept some of the original NPCs from the novel as official characters). They have different writers, and the writers have been known to take liberties.

I'm not saying it is or isn't going to be official canon. It could be. But we need to make sure we get the sources of these things right. The manga's version of the Order Vs Chaos situation could end up completely different from the games.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Vextor wrote:
Actually, in the manga it's stated that half of the true runes are on the side of order, while the rest are in the side of chaos.


But there's TWENTY SEVEN of them. o.O
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

John someone already said that the Rune of the Beginning was separated into two pieces making it even right? I'm guessing the Bright Shield is probably for the Order and Black is probably for the Chaos :P.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

But the Bright Shield and Black Sword Runes are not True Runes.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yeah but technically they count as one of the twenty seven True Runes. So it could be like 13.5 for order and 13.5 for chaos. This might be the case with the Gate Rune as well.

Who knows? :shock:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

That's true, but it has still caused the original sentence to break down, which was my goal all along. Layfield away!

I like the manga and will even lean on it for some minor info but as part of the overarcing plot of the Suikoden series it has the canon value of my scrotum.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

blueflame wrote:
John someone already said that the Rune of the Beginning was separated into two pieces making it even right? I'm guessing the Bright Shield is probably for the Order and Black is probably for the Chaos :P.
Erm....if that argument is to hold water...then what about the front gate and back gate of the Gate rune...?

As nice as it sound that The Rune of Beginning is the rune that is both order and Chaos (aka the middle rune) we can't really assume that

Actually in my opinion I think this "middle" rune will probably be the last True Rune that will the revealed....some uber powerful nasty messed up True Rune that has some nasty version of multiple personality disorder and...

*cough* oh sorry....got carried away imagining the final Suikoden game again....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It's possible one of the True Runes has power over "balance" of some kind, thus supporting that theory by making an even number for both sides.

Also, if you take away the 5 True elemental Runes, you have 22 left. That can make 11 for each.

Another popular theory (one that isn't canon at all, but that I believe anyway because it makes sense) is that the True Runes are based on the cards of the Tarot. If you take away the 5 elemental True Runes, you have 22 left...numbers 0-21 of the Tarot, and so far every True Rune has been able to match one.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Erm....if that argument is to hold water...then what about the front gate and back gate of the Gate rune...?


This is just my own personal opinion, but I don't believe that the Gate Rune could be considered within that particular theory because it was forcibly seperated, and currently exists in an unnatural state. The rune of beginning on the other hand exists naturally as two seperate entities. There is also the Suikoden lore about the birth of the world that is very similar to the rune of beginning as well.

I don't know if I believe the theory completely myself, but it certainly makes more sense than the Gate rune.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

well maybe she was just busy and stuff......but then again its okay...besides she would just randomly pop in the flame champ's room (if its hugo that is ^_-)in the middle of the night.....if its Geddoe maybe a few seconds...if its chris she would appear in the morning or the afternoon...if its hugo well expect her to be there all-night 0.o
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