Amulets (IV/II spoilers)

[NichtWahr]

This is such a longshot that I think I strained something reaching for it, but -- could the wooden amulet you get near the end of IV be the same amulet that plays a minor yet important role in II?
To refresh the memories of those who don't remember the plot of II -- soon after Hero and Jowy are reunited, they're asked by Pilika to buy the amulet; they do so. Later on, during the events in Muse, Jowy leaves your party permanently -- and takes the amulet with him. It doesn't show up again until the showdown with Luca -- it had fireflies hidden inside it, helping archers pinpoint his location.
Anyway, am I the only one who thinks this just might be the same amulet?

[Marth]

theres a wooden ammy in suikoden 4? when do you get that?
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[NichtWahr]

In the evening before the attack on El-Eal, you can see special conversations if you wander through your ship. One such conversation takes place in the saloon, in which Rita, Rene and Noah give you a wooden amulet that they made themselves.

[Eggith Cyrene]

more than likely there completely different. Especially since thier "wooden" one would think in 153 years wood would (haha) rot away. And i dont think konami was trying to connect anything really with previous games. Suikoden 4 was put 150 years in the past for they wouldent have to worry about referecing charectors or putting sod's in from previous games. The same thing goes for geogprahy. They did Mention the scarlet moon empire a few times and just "harmonia" once (not holy harmonia)

In fact the only thing i found that connects the games aside from the 4 charectors in it (jeane doesent count) IS that In suikoden 4 TEd has a wooden bow. In suiko 1 (which im replaying right now to get the bad taste of 4 out of my mouth) he has a steel bow. Now my theroy behind that is aldo who has a steel bow in 4 was killed by ted because he was trying to get it on with ted and ted isnt gay. In aldos ending window it said he ended up with a unfourtante accident. Not much proof but meh.

But more than likely Konami didnt bother to verify teds weapon from 1 and they just messed up.
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[Acheron]

I heard somewhere that Ted in 1 had gotten his bow from Aldo, and that was without referencing 4. Perhaps konami DID do their homework on their own game and DID intentionally make it that way. I think the story goes that Ted and Aldo are friends(they do have a combo for gosh sakes) and that at somepoint in the near future after they become good friends Souleater eats Aldo's soul. In rememberence of Aldo, Ted takes Aldo's bow as his own. Kind of sentimental stuff that Ted would do. So as reference to Eggiths comment, I post this one, but keep in mind that this is hear-say. I may not be completely correct but I'm a little bit too lazy to care so enjoy.

[Beecham]

Eggith, if you hate GSIV so much, why continue to post on this forum?

First off, Most people don't call Harmonia "Holy." Generally speaking, it's the people who are -from- Harmonia who call their own land Holy. Or countries who actually look up to Harmonia. Wanting military support from them because they have the power and you have something they want is another story altogether.

Second, give me one good reason a game set here -would- mention anywhere but Harmonia and Scarlet Moon? Look where the setting is. And before you comment that they set it here so they wouldn't have to, I remember years ago fans clamoring to see this part of the world.

As for the very tired "gay Aldo" issue, I'm not even going to bother addressing it further.

[Eggith Cyrene]

Why shouldent I continue to post on the forum? IT didnt suddenly become a Suiko 4 Only board. I post on the board because its fun and despite 4...... shortcomings i still consider myself a suiko fanatic.

Obvisouly some dont refer to it as holy sense Cray didnt. Every instance before that however harmonia has been refered to as holy harmonia even eniemies. Yes its probably due to respect/fear. One would think Cray would fear them. Despite thier distance. HArmonia could stood be a potential enemy of the island nations (if you can call them that) so could SME. So one would think they would be dwelled upon more than a couple choice passingbys or ending windows.

A good reason to mention other countries would be to please fans for one thing. Ok thats a bit self serving but hey. An old book with the founding of the city states of jowstown (since the founding is right around this time) Mentcaning of falena since there basically neighbors. SOmething to connect the games so this doesent just feel like a completly isolated game.
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[Sophita]

[Beecham]

Sophita hit it dead on the nose, Eggith. I'm a very blunt man, I don't tend to mince words to make people happy, but I don't ever try to tell someone they should leave a forum. On the other hand, I do question why you bother with the Suikoden 4 board when all you really do here is bash the game. Just because you so strongly dislike this game does not mean you should detract from others' enjoyment of it, and my own enjoyment of this particular board is deminished by constantly needing to defend this game from you. Comments like "I'm replaying I to get the bad taste of IV out of my mouth" are wholy unnecessary.

To Sophita, I still maintain that your nation will be getting its spotlight next. While some people think the setting of the game was utterly pointless, I think they had a reason for the time and the place. A sequel to IV set in Falena would be a beautiful parallel between V and II, just as IV was meant to be in some ways a parallel to I. It's also possible Kooluk itself is the next stop, since we saw little to nothing of that nation, but Falena has been so drummed up that I think it needs its own game; Kooluk in the long run is a very minor entity. Setting the game in Falena would also allow for cameos or recurring Stars from IV to V, something I think has been planned from the moment IV began.

Anyway, we have drifted extremely far afield. Instead of turning this into a bash-GS4-for-not-mentioning-other-nations thread, we could go back to addressing the question at hand.

I suppose it -is- possible, though for the moment I'm going to say I do not think so. Unless it went to Jowston in the relatively near future, the salt in the air would have a detrimental effect on it, unless it's very strong wood. It is not impossible, however, that it could have survived. Not by a long shot.

Also, we have yet to see when and where GS5 takes place. If it is a sequel to GS4 - no matter where said sequel takes place - the GS4 Tenkai could cameo, a la McDohl in GS2. He received the amulet at the end of the game; perhaps he might still have it in the next.

This is all entirely baseless speculation on my part, but I'm not here to prove that it is or that it isn't; I'm here simply to prove that it might be. And there -is- the possibility that this is true. We'll just have to wait and find out.

[Elc]

I have to agree that the location and timeframe wasn't "pointless" as some have suggested, particularly since we don't know how Konami is going to proceed with the story. If you think about it, Suikoden III really had no connection to the first two games with the exception of some returning characters and offhand mentions if you talk to the right people, and since Suikoden IV is a prequel, I wouldn't expect half the cast of the original Suikoden to pop in just for the sake of being there.

Ted was a logical choice, since he was around for at least 300 years by the time Suikoden took place, and we don't know where or what some of the other long-lived characters from the first game were doing at the time. It would almost be too much to swallow if suddenly Windy, Yuber, Pesermga, Joshua, Sierra and Neclord showed up in the Island Nations. (though Windy is the only one which would have really made sense, since she was searching for the Soul Eater)

Suikoden V could very well explain some of the questions we've got, and that's part of what making a continuing series is all about. You don't just fill in all the blanks if you're planning on picking them up at a later date.

As for the wooden amulet, it's possible it could be the same one from Suikoden II, since wood wouldn't just rot on it's own over the 150+ years between the games, unless it was constantly exposed to the elements. If it were kept sealed away during that time, it could have survived the years and gone on to play the role it did in Suikoden II. Then again, it's entirely possible that it's a completely different amulet. We may never know for sure.
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[Beecham]

On the other hand, if GS5 is in Falena.... Ted appears to be moving south to north. Perhaps he -came- from Falena. We don't know where his village was, after all. We imagine Windy's village was in range of Harmonia though, but if she was chasing the Soul Eater she could have come south when she found out where the village was. Neclord and Yuber, likewise, could have been from the same region or could have followed her.

Falena could still be a perfectly logical home for Neclord to have called home before he made his way to the Harmonian continent.

I do think it odd for a lack of Yuber, though, I'll admit this much; I forgot that somewhere it was said that Yuber was present at most major conflicts. On the other hand, if he needs to be -summoned,- perhaps simply no one knew of him or knew how to summon him. They -could- have worked it in though, with Cray having done the summoning, or even to make things interesting Elenor, but this is one of my few disappointments in the game.

Regardless, I suppose we'll just have to see where things go in the next installment, yes?

[Eternal Wind]

It would be kind of implausable, but it does seem like too much of a coincidence. Probably is the same amulet or a duplicate.

[Username]

Could be. It is a game after all. The rules of wood decay might not exist. We may never know. Also I think Yuber not being in SIV was a good thing. Can you imagine him being involed in such a small tussle as that "war" also can you imagine him on a boat? It might be to passive for him to be apart of ship warfare. The rune cannons might peake his interest, but I doubt it.

If Rhaps. dosen't show the fate of Gaien and Kooluk then I doubt Falena will be the setting for SV. I think Kooluk will be eaten by SME and Gaien will join the Island Nations, but who really knows?
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[sybillious]

if i remember correctly, kooluk becomes southland, meaning it wasn't 'eaten,' absorbed or conquered *at least, not fully* by another nation, just merely had a change of name for some reason, much like siam became thailand, cambodia became campuchea, etc.
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