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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Higheast Province Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm a bit confused after reading the geography on the site. After the fall of Highland, I was under the impression that Highland was called Higheast and L'Renouille's name was changed (but I couldn't remember what).

But after reading the geography section, it says L'Renouille was renamed Higheast and I think Highland was known Higheast Province - do I have this right now, or am I still missing something. Also are there any other name changes in Highland that happened?

Sucks to be the King of Highland and not even know the full story lol :|
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

All I know is that after Highland fell, the region became under Jowston control and named the Highest Province. I have never heard anything about L'Renouille or any other towns being renamed.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm certain that Highland became the Higheast Province but I do not recall L'Renouille changing its name although it could have been changed. There was a Higheast Rebellion so the province has definitely had a change of name after the fall of Highland.

Feels kind of harsh towards Fliktor though haha.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yep, L'Renouille was changed to "Higheast."
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, that certainly clears some things up...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

YES! Thank you SARS! (Don't you wish that even your Nation Leaders would look at this awesome site you've built?) :P

Ha ha, just messin, Fliktor. But, I knew this from Suikosource, before I came to this site. I'm a big geography geek, so what can I say...? :roll:

Also, maybe SARS can jump in on this one... Thing is, I'm NOT sure whether or not Higheast is Dunan's capital. I do know that it is now the largest city in all of Dunan, thanks to Luca Blight's Muse massacres, but I'm a little fuzzy on that one.

In addition, Higheast has a very strategic position in Dunan, as it's the site of a major trade crossroad from Matilda, Toran, and Harmonia. Hence, the city's large growth and population. In addition, the city is one big, huge fort, and would be QUITE easy to defend. Its design is even awesome! Built up against a lake in Higheast Province, and NOT on the ocean's coastal shore, Higheast has a very central position, that isn't easily reached, but easy to defend. The city's design is in subsections, as well, so even if PART of the city fell, other parts would have to be taken by the enemy. Well, this is what it looks like from the world map, so it's what I assume. Thank Konami for not letting us walk around town... :P

Higheast may not be as central to Dunan as a whole as Muse is, but Higheast would be farther from Grasslands, and also Fitcher was Muse's mayor at the time. I do not believe Higheast had its own mayor, and hence it would make sense for the Chancellor to administer the city...

Ok, so tell me? Am I right about this, or am I just shooting from the hip? :shock:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

why would it be changed to simply "higheast" dosent that sound a bit retarded like a town in a pokemon game "higheast fortress" !!! no qualms about refering to highland as "higheast profvince" though.

Wish there was more info in suikoden 3 aside from a mere paragraph.


Muse would still be the logical place for the capital. Its directly in the center of the Dunan Republic. That being said the capital of highland or former rather would be the first line of defense against harmonia troops meaning it could be taken over easier than to gettin to muse. So it wouldent make a good capital. Why would you want to move the seat of power anyway. wouldent that constitute lower morale?


Oh yeah nice job using the ff6 forest backround
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

It is uncertain where exactly the capital of Dunan is located after Teresa Wisemail became president. One thing for sure is that it isn't Higheast, because she clearly wasn't there at the beginning of the Higheast Rebellion. Likely she was at the old HQ (Northwind).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't think they care whether the name of the city sounds retarded. Heck, I couldn't figure out how to pronounce L'Renouille until I came to this site! lol So, with that said, at least Higheast comes out of the mouth easy.

True, Muse is at the center of Dunan, however it was the site of a massacre, so there might be a bad aura about keeping the capital there. Furthermore, it makes sense to change the capital to Higheast after the rebellion. This could ALSO be seen as a polital motive, to appease the newly re-conquered Highland nobility. This could make them feel more "special" if their capital is to serve as the new seat of power. This is just a guess as I'm not really certain that this happened or not, but it still makes sense.

Morale was low in Muse after what Luca did to the population. I don't think that moving the capital would really do much of anything to raise or lower the morale there. However, the morale across the state as a whole would have to be rather high, as they just won. Perhaps moving the capital to Higheast would raise the lowered spirits of the Highland citizens, which is what I previously hinted at.

North Window, huh? Well, it makes a lot of sense, since it's easy to defend, but Neclord wiped out that town... Are you saying that it became a permanent village or city again after the war? Hmmm... I guess that doesn't have anything to do with Higheast Province. Any chance that Higheast became the Dunan capital after the Higheast Rebellion? Or again, am I just being a little too hopeful?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

My memory's fuzzy, but during the ending of SII where Riou becomes the leader, isn't he seen working in Muse? Of course this could be only a temporary location, before any moves, but it seems to me that the government would stay in Muse. After all, Jowston Hill is in Muse, and that should still remain a symbol of the alliance. You can still have a mayor run the city anyway, while the Federal government is also hanging out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yep, Muse is the likely candidate.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well thank you very much guys ^_^

Oh and Sai, I doubt Higheast would be made capital as most would probably have just as much ill feeling towards it than Muse being the centre of the old Highland.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm actually still quite confused about the whole Dunan post-Riou's situation.

1. Since Teresa became the president, and if Muse is the capital city, who would've been left in charge of Greenhill? During the game, Greenhill didn't show any worthy successor at all. Shin went away, Emelia was a simple librarian, Jude was a sculptor, Nina was hopeless.
2. What happened to North Window? Ignored as if it never existed? I have a sneaky suspicion that it would've made more sense if it became the capital city. That way Fitcher could stay as Mayor of Muse instead of being overlapped by President Teresa. And IMO, North Window is more strategic compared to Muse that is directly bordered to the Higheast/Highland.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Northwind is a good shot, but there really isn't any reason Teresa couldn't rule out of Muse even while Fitcher's the mayor. There's a mayor of Washington, DC, isn't there? :p [before anyone has to ask, the answer is yes, there is: Anthony Williams].

As for Northwind being the capital... it's also a possibility. *shrugs* It's more a castle and less a town, but maybe that changed during the game and the creators didn't have the inclination to show that more properly.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Harukaze wrote:
Northwind is a good shot, but there really isn't any reason Teresa couldn't rule out of Muse even while Fitcher's the mayor.

While it is possible, it's a fact that the previous leader (Annabelle) was the Mayor of Muse. Hence, it is proven that she could hold two positions at once. One as the Mayor of Muse, and the second one as the leader of City-States of Jowston, showing that the role and duties of the Mayor of Muse could be overlapped by her role as the leader of City-States.

And I don't think it's quite right to compare it with the USA situation. In our world, the president would have so many things to do, may it be domestically or internationally. Hence, the need of the Mayor of Washington DC to deal with the city's needs. Whereas in Suikoden world, it seems that there aren't a lot to do as the leader during the peace time other than dealing with domestic issues. Hence, might not need the Mayor of Capital City.

But I have no idea, it's all just speculation.
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