Bans, the end of a livlyhood

[kuwaizair]

ok, I know, I'm making a new topic. but we need more topics that aren't "which city do you want to live in" or what have you.

My mom's friend normaly has jobs in resturants or bars, she used to be able to make $100 in TIPS, but now that the smoking ban is instilled, she now makes $10 or even one. My mom is now thinking of writing in asking to get rid of the ban, her friend's livly hood is now destroyed. People would come to dinner, drink, smoke, drink, some, desert, meet friends and smoke. But now, people come in, have one drink and some food and go home.

Now here I am, having to listen to lines like "people have a choise not to go out to eat where there are smokers". -I- don't, I'm sensitive, even the smell of 10 people smelling of ciggerits makes me unhappy. I cannot ignore the stench and walk away, or sit there loving them and having a giant "happy anime smile face" in my soul. If I'm pal-ing around with my mom, and she goes to see her friend in one of these joints, I'm not going to be to happy.

Bans also destroy other livly hoods, Fishermen who live in some parts of the world cannot make a living because "the big man" says "No, there isn't enough cod for everyone, no cod for you", said cod wound up being a subspecies of non-migartory animals, in the end, these people who, for generations fished were able to do so.

so here is our topic, "was it a wise idea, a kind idea to ban somthing? considering that somone's life wound up being destroyed in the process" Does anyone here think that some bans were nessessary? should we allow people to smoke in bars, clubs and resturants again, if someone is no longer a fresh young 23 year old with a husband, and she needs those tips?

If a bunch of people had fished for generations and no longer can, is that a bit ego, ethno centric or does it reak of corpraite greed?

have any other stories to share?
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[Vertius]

A smoking ban was brought into effect here in Ireland for over two years now, on the 29th of March 2004. There were plenty of people ignoring it, and challenging it, using the same old excuses all the time. "They're my own lungs. I can smoke if I want!" and "I have a right to smoke!" are prominent examples.

We were told that livelihoods would be destroyed. "People will go to Northern Ireland to drink, they will! Pubs will lose business and close up due to this!" What happened? Business was affected in some places for a month or two, but they came back in their droves. Not only that, but people who never went out to pubs and restaurants because of the smoke.

Some things should be banned, no matter the cost. The choice of what does get banned and what doesn't is simple. If it's for the greater good, like factories that make life-saving drugs, it should stay. However, there'll always be those who contest it. Perhaps the factory emits a lot of pollution, and is affecting the area. What is more important? The local area is affected negatively, but people all over the world benefit.

What is unpleasant for one person is pleasant for another. What matters is that the majority gain their desire, and the other copes.
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[Yvl]

[Bub]

I want to know where you live where no one goes and gets drunk in a bar because they can't smoke in the bar anymore. That's what legs are for...you go out of the bar, smoke, and come back in.

Going from 100 bucks in tips to 10 sounds a bit over-the-top (you know, like that Acadamy award winning movie starring Stallone and that creepy, annoying kid :shock: ), but if it is the case, it just sounds like people having a fit over the ban.

People like to drink and socialize. They will come back.

I don't see what all the hooplah is about the ban. You are still able to smoke outside, which is not too far away from where people sit to drink. Hell, think of it as exercise...you benefit yourself with losing a few calories with the walking...so reward yourself with a cigarette :P

I really think that this ban is being blown out of proportion.
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[Sailor Sexy]

Admittedly, I once thought it was stupid to ban smoking in bars, mainly because I had associated bars with a thick, purplish haze. However, after a recent trip to New York, a state that has the ban in effect, and being in a smoke-free bar, I must say I was quite happy to be waking up the next morning after a bender and just have a headache instead of a headache and being stuffed up.

I don't buy that the smoking ban is the reason the tips went from $100 to $10. Not at all. The smokers know that if they want to drink and smoke, it's only a matter of stepping outside, so there's obviously another reason.
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[Swish]

[AA]

In England the smoking ban is about to happen, i think it is 4 months away, but i could be wrong, however it is soon.

As an ex-smoker it doesn't really bother me whether people are smoking or not, but i would never smoke if people were eating or if they were non smokers and i as sitting in the middle of them.

I don't think a ban is a necessity, all that needs to be done is the introduction of smoking and non smoking bars and also more ventilation in those that wish to be both.

[Yvl]

Swish, keep in mind how ungodly unpleseant it is to those who don't smoke. Even if smokers were a majority, it would be a better idea to let non-smokers have their way, due to health issues. Besides, it was the smoker's choice in the first place to take up smoking.
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[Flamo Bringer]

In Indonesia, the smoking ban is also about to happen...
but you know my country, sometimes the rules won't even apply to some people, because they do it secretly or completely ignore it :(

and well, i don't like smokers either... it's kinda annoying just smelling the smoke or when the smoke came to your eyes or something :roll:

[Bub]

[Nimble Jack]

I agree with Swish, I think that it should be up the owner of a bar to decided if patrons are allowed to smoke or not. I don't see anything wrong with goverenments setting regulations about how the bars are allowed carry out their policies, for instance setting a minimum ventalation requirement for bars that allow smokers.

However I think that it almost goes down to what people want to do when they go out, weither they want to drink or smoke. If they want to drink they could go to a pub or bar; if they want to smoke they could go to a smoker friendly or a hooka bar. It's kind of like if I want a Subway sub but a Starbuck's drink, I can't get them in the same place.
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[Alcon]

The smoking ban here has a more annoying effect. Instead of in the bars, they are across the street from the bars - around the residential areas, where people like me who don't frequent bars have to walk.

I actually get exposed to more secondhand smoke now that the smoking bans are in effect.

C'est la vie.
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[Yvl]

Nimble Jack, the point is that you shouldn't be smoking in the first place. Fines and restrictions are the government's way of saying "We don't like that." It was one of Thomas Jefferson's own philosophies.

Alcon, on the other hand, does make a rather ironic point...
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[Futch]

In Argentina the smoking ban is being implemented in a week; I actually thought that they had this thing solved at the U.S since a long time ago, though.

I don't mind people smoking in front of me at clubs and so on; but I do hate the smell of smoke inside my house or in my clothes. And since I don't smoke I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to detecting that particular "scent".

I'm not pretty sure about a ban though; If they just implemented smoking and non smoking areas more efficiently we wouldn't have much of a problem. At any rate, the way smoking and no smoking areas are divided around here is a freaking joke; that's for sure.
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[Bub]