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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The last time I went to the movie is... whenever Finding Nemo was...
The last time I turned on the TV, I think it was whenever the CA mountain fire thing was... (I got my news mostly from newspaper)
The computer might be a little bit difficult since I need it to do homework, I could manage I guess
I love video games, but I dont need it to survive. and if I can save some lives by not playing video games, I think I will feel much happier knowing that I save those children then playing a few hours of Suikoden

So ya, me personally, I will do it.
But just because I would do it, doesnt mean I expect everyone else should do it.
I guess being raised in an Confucious family that stresses sacrificing the small self to save the greater number of people does shaped me into this way
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sorry kids, but no... I won't save them. There are too many humans alive anyway... And well, i can't survive without all those stuff. I might as well kill myself, which i wouldn't for kids, or humans for that matter...

Now if you switch this to the entire fate of the ecosystem, and all the animals and life within it, and that if i do all the above mentioned, it will guarantee that no humans will ever fell a single tree from a forest, or kill a single animal for selfish purposes albeit, for their body parts of make ornaments and etc, i'd kill myself for them... Yeah...
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Wow I was really suprised by some of these responses I figured everyone would say that they would do it or make some joke about how it would never happen.I was especially surprised by people who said things like it's not their place to help them or that anyone who depends on others to make their lives easier really got me. I think if there is some sort of problem in the world that everyone is obligated to help granted i'm not a memeber of some sort of organization that builds home for the homeless but i contribute in my own way with a few donations to such places.I think that it's because of this sort of attitude that problems like this still exist in the world. If we sit by and allow people to suffer we become just as bad as the people who are responsible for these problems.Well that's how I feel anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I don't think that anyone is saying that they don't want to help negative situations at all, but instead they just want the help the situations properly. Only giving the Ethiopian children perfect lives would really accomplish little for them, because they'd go to having everything on a silver platter and not learn to appreciate it, really, despite the past they had. If I could give every one of them a 'normal' life in a western culture, free from the risk of dying from disease and the like, would I do that? Yeah, I'd try to help them work towards it, anyway, but I wouldn't want to just give it to them, that'd be too easy, work and experience is how you learn and grow in life.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

really it wouldnt be that hard to let go of movies/tv/computer/etc.. heck this things didnt exist 150 years ago....so if u just think for ur self shame on u!!! sheeeeeeesh
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Oh and clearly if it was Steve Buscemi who told me, I would break out in a laughing fit. That man is a gold mine of laughter.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Saben wrote:

So basically, yes, I could do it, but not in my current life situation. If I had a boyfriend/ husband, lived in a house with no TV, computer, etc or was able to directly see the results of my actions then I could do it for sure, but how things are right now? It'd be hard (especially since my best friends and socialising mainly takes place online) and I would be hard pressed to last two weeks.

Then what'd be the value of the sacrifice? If one lived in a place with no TV or Computer, one'd be already accostumed to not using them. It's as if one was asked to eat, breathe or take baths, or something as rutinary, to keep the kids alive.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well here is another ehtical question, if every time you masterbated/have sex/or even watch a porno, god destroies half of the forest on earth. What would you do.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Stop masterbating/having sex/watch porno, der! Being that I'm not doing any of the three anyway, it's unfortunately not a hard decision. :p
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, I don't think I have that much control over my sex drive to be honest. The best I could do is wait 2 weeks or so between each time so the forests aren't destroyed that quickly. At least if half is destroyed each time it would neve run out totally, the amount of forest would just keep on decreasing by half each time (1/2,1/4,1/8,1/16). Actually faced with that decision I may just kill myself because I know I don't have the self control to be totally celebate to that extreme and I know it. I could live without porn, I could live without sex, but not being able to climax at all? I know some (very few, even fewer when looking at only males) people do it, but I know I couldn't.

And Alseid, I would simply be removing the temptation of things from my life, I'd still need to overcome the temptation to go to an internet cafe and before I removed all these influences from my life I'd need to get the mailing addresses and phone numbers of at least 5 of my online friends so I could keep in contact "the old fashioned way;, some people I've met online are too valuable to lose and even if the whole human race was on the line I'd quite possibly choose to save them.

As for the value of sacrifice, well, isn't the main value of sacrifice how it helps others not how it helps you? Maybe making my sacrifice easier would mean I would gain less from the experience, but the result would still be the same for the Small Ethiopian Childrens and that is what matters in the end, correct? They still grow up to be sheltered, arrogant little pricks because they didn't need to go through any sadness or the threat of death :P
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This is an interesting topic, but please DO NOT get into bashing other people's perspective. Agree to disagree and move on, thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Saben wrote:
As for the value of sacrifice, well, isn't the main value of sacrifice how it helps others not how it helps you? Maybe making my sacrifice easier would mean I would gain less from the experience, but the result would still be the same for the Small Ethiopian Childrens and that is what matters in the end, correct? They still grow up to be sheltered, arrogant little pricks because they didn't need to go through any sadness or the threat of death :P

The result would indeed be the same, but the whole point of the original question was if, for a good cause like saving the ethiopian children, you'd give up using computers and watching TV, assuming these are your main means of entertainment(and considering this is an online community, it'd be safe to assume such thing).
In short, if you'd stop doing the stuff that you greatly enjoy, in order to achieve a major good for other people.
If you are accostumed to not using these means of entertainment, then the question loses all of its meaning.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I didn't say that I'd want to have been accustomed to living without them, I said that I'd want the ability to stop living with them from the moment I chose to save the kids, in order to remove the temptation. I live in a shared house at the moment, so there would be a TV and computer sitting right there in plain view on a regular basis- it would make it much harder to have self control.
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I could never do it. I have been liveing with all this technology my whole life I could never give it up. That is the way I have been brought up so I will live however I want to live. Maybe those kids could have fun for the last seconds of their life. I have a problem with the impossible and doing it. So in short those people are going to die.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

great topic, it's fun!

While bearing in mind i am my first concern (i have to live with myself the entirety of my life) so of course the first port of call is to ensure my happiness.

yet, at the same time, if circumstances where that i could sacrafice something which i already consider detrimental to my being (yes, i admit i'm a hypocrite, as i still use such things) without impacting greatly on my utility (that is, instead of watching south park re-runs, i can be down in the galapagos island beaches swimming with turtles, or some other bs that'll make me happy, then fine. but reality is that requires finances, and in this day and age, the chances of attaining said wealth is only possible if you sell your soul and enslave others to monotonous labour for your stinking capitalist profits (note, i am not a socialist), or be born into wealth and be hyped for no reason (a la Hilton sisters). i think i put too much thought into this answer.

but realisticly, this is just a question, and ethically, it doesn't matter. we cannot sacrifice our own satisfaction for the masses. i'm liberal : the rights of the individual over what's best for the many.

by no means call me selfish. it's reality.
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