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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Powerful wizards are wizards that are humble and a calmed mind person....

2) It gotta be Mazus to me :)

3) Mazus in Suikoden 2... he could even match against his master....

4) Okay, lemme pick Mazus for this... Mazus vs Crowley is super awesome, they're just like the 2 most powerful wizard and stuff... and he didn't have any True Rune either 8-) and another one would be Sasarai... this bishop would just have a good control on his True Rune and being calm is the number one point in being it....

5) Mazus is the most powerful wizard, because he could match his own master Crowley and well... he's got at controlling his magic and being calm as well :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Definition of a powerful wizard: One who has the aptitude for both 1) Harnessing vast and enormous amounts of magical energy, 2) Being able to control that magical energy precisely and efficiently, 3) Has shown that they are the masters of the magic, not the other way around. They have made breakthroughs in the way magic is wielded (Progress is key. Imagine an analogy to technology in the real world. Look how far we have come! ) by showing mastery in intuitive and creative use of magic.

2. Name of the wizard: Crowley

3. Example: Can harness enough magic to level mountains and alter the face of the world. Has used creativity and experimentation to progress the field of magic by leaps and bounds. Specificly noted as having invented techniques to achieve the power of true runes without actually using true runes. Invented unite magic involving more than one rune simultaneously. Can effortlessly control 100 runes on his body without their powers overwhelming him.

4. Comparison -
Mazus - Crowley's pupil and probably one of the greatest wizards in history. Mazus's ambition got the better of him, and he lives soley to increase his power to best his old master. This is something that he has been unable to do, even after hundreds of years. It has been said the Crowley's magical powers are the greatest in the world, and clearly beyond those of his old apprentice as well. This is obvious by Mazus's inability to best Crowley, even after all the years, and after the two
deuled centuries ago, Crowley reincarnated himself much faster.

Luc - Compared to Crowley, Luc is merely a child with the ability to wield large powers efficiently, but nothing else. Luc has good innate powers with magic, and an incredibly powerful true rune. But he has done nothing for the field of Magic. He has not invented new techniques. He tried to accomplish some impressive feats in his shorrt life, but most were based on his possesion of the True Rune. That's the rune's will. Not his. As a wizard, if he were never cursed with the True Rune (which he wished) he would have lived his life as a impressively powerful magician and not much more. He will be forgotten by history, whereas Crowley already solidified his position as a legend, and still lives to this day.

5. Crowley is more than a man. He's a legend. The stuff of myth. Many would wonder if he lives today, or if he ever truly lived, or was he simply a story passed through ages. Anyone in the world who uses magic or aspires to use magic can credit a great deal to Crowley, and they would probably acknowledge him as the greatest. He is a legend. History books have been written about him, his amazing feats and documentation of his experiments and breakthroughs in magic. He has done more for Magic itself than anyone (I wouldn't be surprised if he was the first being to actually recognize how to harness the power of runes... in esseence inventing magic... outside of the acts of true runes, anyway). One specific instance was his development of unite magic involving multiple runes. The enormous energies he could harness were capable of leveling mountains and altering landscapes. He has lived longer than his age suggests, since he can bring himself back to life.

Further, I believe Crowley is far greater than even any of this indicates. He was found in a cave, living a solitary life. He was convinced to join the battle in Suikoden I because he knew it was a good cause, but even so, in the ending it says "Despising the world, he returns to the caverns." I believe that Crowley possess a Wisdom beyond that of Mortal Men, and as such has distanced himself from the world. As someone who has lived for so many ages, and seen the world change so much, I think Crowley sees everything spiraling downwards and the world becoming a more corrupted and worse place. This also indicates some of his charactetr. He is a wise old man, with a good heart, who wants what is best for the world, and is saddened by how it has become. Crowley is in the World, but not Of the World. He is more than anyone else can imagine.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I was going to add to this forum but there's no longer a need to. Crowley is the best wizard and the last post give's the exact reasons why... If you read it you will know case closed...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. Definition of a powerful wizard - Someone who bring a useful magical skill both on and off the battlefield and is there when they are needed.

2. Name of wizard - Viki

3. Example - Viki has been the only one to show that she has the ability to teleport, not just her, not just 6 people, but an entire ship! And not just an empty ship, but all the people on board as well, without ever teleporting them to harm, despite a few sneezes here and there. Plus, she's also the only mage that we know for sure beyond any shadow of a doubt has been involved in the 5 major wars (There is some doubt that Jeane is really the same person in all 5). Also she has enough control over her spells so that they don't go out of control and destroy huge areas of land, unlike a couple of other wizards we've seen.

4. Comparison - Let's compare her to those two wizards I just mentioned, Crowley and Mazus. Viki has been more battle tested than both. She has never been killed, unlike those two. And with her being involved in 5 major wars across the land, she will have no doubt made some enemies, yet there has never been a successful attempt on her life. Who's to say she's never been attacked? With her Blinking Rune she could easily teleport any attackers off this plane of existence without anyone being the wiser. Plus, with her seemingly airheaded attitude, she would be able to catch people off guard, and since as I said she can teleport them out of existence, no one would be able to flee and warn others of her power.

5. Conclusion - She has proven her mettle both in and out of battle, across the land and across time, outsurviving many other mages not through cowardice but through the use of her immense power. Truly Viki has become an icon in the Suikoverse. Now if only the poor girl could have a good meal!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard: Write down what you consider as the criteria for "most powerful wizard" in a single sentence.

A wizard that has demonstrated or at least knows of powerful magic, wether it be destructive, regenerative or neutral magic.

2) Name of Wizard: Simply write the name of your pick.

It's a debate in me wether to chose Crowley or Sarah, but if we're talking about most powerful, then it's probably Crowley, Sarah would fall into the category of most skilled or most unique.

3) Example: Write an episode that showcases how powerful this wizard is.

Crowley has a number of highly skilled students in his teaching history, none of which have surpassed him, with Mazus only coming close. Piccolo claims to be his 9th student and is fairly adept at magic. Estella, Crowley's other student is a very powerful magician, and even though she claims shes beaten Crowley, this is unlikely due to all the lies she tells and the fact that both magicians would be likely to die in such a fierce battle.

4) Comparison: Compare this wizard with two other wizards in Suikoden. Argue how your pick is superior to these two other wizards.

I think the only other magicians capable of the power Crowley has without possessing a True Rune are Mazus and Sarah. Mazus having tied with Crowley in a duel which leveled a mountain, or two. Although at first it seemed they were equal, Crowley demonstrated his magical prowess by returning back to life faster than Mazus - 14 years faster to be exact.

Sarah on the other hand is a different type of wizard, specialising in optical illusions, fire water and blue gate magic (even though she doesn't own one). She is a magician of contrast to Crowley who has at a young age become very proficient in what she does. However, in terms of magical power, Crowley still comes out on top, having Sarah's runes and more, Sarah does not possess the destructive power of Crowley, but she does possess impressive magical skills when she conjured up an army of monsters to fight the Fire Bringer.

5) Opinion & Conclusion: Write your opinions on why this character is the most powerful wizard. Then, conclude your passage gracefully.

- Crowley invented Unite Magic.
- He has taught a number of students that have gone on to become very formiddable magicians.
- He knows the method of and has 100 runes in his body.
- He returned to life 14 years faster than Mazus - the only wizard that comes close to him.
- Seems to be the foremost authority on magic in the world, ever.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) A powerful wizard is someone who has mastery of all kinds of magic, has great magic powers, is knowledgable in the study of magic and has contributed a lot in the field of rune magic.

2) Crowley

3) In Crowley's battle with Mazus, he clearly showed how poweful a wizard he can be. He destroyed an entire country with his magic and created the Badlands. He died in that same battle but he was brought back to life.

Another example that showcases Crowley's power as a wizard is when he invented unite magic. Crowley was learned enough in the field of rune magic that he was able to draw out the unknown potential of magic runes.

4) While Mazus might be as considered the equal of Crowley in terms of magic power, he still does not surpass his master. Unlike Crowley, he wasn't as knowledgable as Crowley was in the lore of rune magic. He picked everything he knew about magic from Crowley. He wasn't able to harness the true powers of runes unlike Crowley with his invention of unite magic. If Mazus wasn't the pupil of Crowley, one has to wonder wether he would still be as powerful as he is today.

5) Many other wizards are considered the best just because of their strength in using magic. What makes Crowley different from them is the fact that he was able to draw out the true potential of runes without the help a true rune. He was nearly able to attain true rune like powers without possessing one. He was the forerunner of magic. One can say that without Crowley, rune magic woulndn't be what it is today.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This is my response to this thread:

1) Your definition of powerful wizard:
A powerful wizard is able to cause as much damage possible in a short amount of time.

2) Name of Wizard:
Levi.

3) Example:
Levi is a powerful wizard as he was able to successfully create the ''Big Hole'' without doing damage to himself. He was also recognised by the Bergen and the guard of the big hole as being a superior wizard, not to mention the fact that they both were surprised and kinda impressed with the efforts of Levi.

4) Comparison:
Jeane and Conrad are powerful wizards as they also taught magic to their pupils. However they were not able to create as much damage as levi in a short amount of time and space and make it look like it was naturally done. Levi continues to inprove his knowledge of magic which is somthing Conrad and Jeane would not do.

5) Opinion & Conclusion:
Levi is the most powerful wizard as he was able to create the ''Big Hole'' and have it recognised by more than one person. He also does not need the aid of a true rune to get the job done. Although he is old, he still continues to fill his mind with the wonderful knowledge of magic and runes and may continue to assist future Tenkai stars in the coming Suikoden games.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard:

A powerful wizard has mastered the art of sorcery and has pupils. He has created books and has developed his on skill in wizardry. He or she has been written about and his or her name inspires awe in all that hear it.

2) Name of Wizard:

None other than the legendary Crowley

3) Example:

There are too many to count. Crowley created combination runic magic. He has over 100 runes embedded into his body. He is close to developing magic that is equal to the power of True Runes without a True Rune. He has lived over 100 years and supposedly has died and reincarnated himself.

4) Comparison:

Only one can compare to the legendary Crowley and that is his pupil Mazus, who is a legend in his own right. The fact that his skills seem to parallel the great Crowley makes him a direct comparison.

5) Opinion & Conclusion:

Obviously Crowley is the most powerful wizard to be introduced in the series. His adeptness with magic and his notoriety in the world of magic proves his prowess. His duel with Mazus created a wasteland. There is obviously no comparison to his skills aside from his direct pupil.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard:

One that had mastered many arts and form of sorcery and continues to study boundlessly, One that will be able to use their knowledge effortlessly.

2) Name of Wizard:
Mazus

3) Example:

Perhaps the most common example that shows his adeptness in magic, is his duel with his master Crowley, resulting destruction over the lands and mountains that no ordinary wizard have done.

4) Comparison:

If I compare him to the other wizards like Crowley, their skills seems pretty deadlock and it's hard to conlude for me which one is better. But I thnik Mazus is much better because he is more determined than anybody about their craft, being fueled by his ambition to defeat his master, Crowley. It's even stated that was obsessed with sorcery, and constantly experiements with magic and has been witnessed experimenting with magic. I believe that if a person has goals and is determined like that, that person will do anything in his power to achieve his goals, sooner or later that person will succeed.

5) Opinion & Conclusion:

Even though Mazus was a only a student of Crowley, with his obsession for sorcery and ambition to defeat his master, Mazus have come on equal footing with his master making him for me, the most powerful wizard.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1. A powerful wizard is someone who knows magic, knows how to control that magic, and knows what to do with that magic.

2. Leknaat.

3. Leknaat has full control over her power and uses to help others out instead of mindlessly destroying things.

4. Leknaat shows her power through her ability compared to others such as Crowly and Mazus who chose to battle each other and destroyed many things. She could make decisions and not become power hungry like her sister Windy who died because of her greed for power trying to get two true runes.

5. Leknaat has a calm personality and show patience she know what to do and when to do it she can even see the future in the stars thats what it takes to make a great wizard.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Definately Levi,
His research into the ability to wield more then one True rune is truly amazing, and his magical abilities are on par with even the most powerful wizard...(Crowley and Mazus...)

I've always liked Levi's character and he starts with some crazy runes.(Earth Rune, and the highly coveted Blue Gate Rune)
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Definition of powerful wizard
Someone who has tremendous talent for the use of magic and has cultivated that talent to the highest achievable limit. Should also have high affinity with the 5 elements.

Name of the wizard
Luc (yes, Luc!)

Comparisons and examples
Most people here seem to favor either Crowly or Mazus. I beg to differ. I believe Luc beats out both of them in terms of raw talent. When playing Suiko 1 and 2 I noted down all the characters stats at lv. 59. In Suikoden 1 Luc had MAG 206 while Crowly was a close second at 202. This means that at the mere age of 14 Luc had already surpassed Crowley in terms of sheer magical muscle. I don`t remember the exact figures in 2 but again Luc was the undisputed nr. 1 in MAG.

In Suikoden 3 the elemental affinities are introduced and here Luc comes out on top as well only matched by Sarah. Let`s say when a character can get a max rating of C in a particular element we give them one point while a max of S would be 5. This way Luc and Sarah would gain a total of 20 points over all 5 elements. In comparison: Sasarai and Estella get 17 while Geddoe, Joker and Salome 15. Piccolo dissapoints at 14 points.

Ignoring the dry figures and looking from a storywise perspective we also have to conclude that Luc was the greatest magician ever. After all Luc was created as a vessel for the True Wind rune. Thus he is a perfect match for not only the True Wind rune but also magic in general since even when not using his True Rune we cannot ignore Lucs enormous magical power at such a tender age. Both Crowley and Mazus will undoubtedly have spent decades and likely centuries studying and researching magic in order to gain their current proficiency. To Luc using magic came more or less naturally.

Luc may not have left his mark on the study of magic like Crowly has but hey: the guy has only lived for 32 years. Given his enormous talent he could probably have done the same thing given more years. That said I doubt wether Luc would be really interested in furthering the research in magic since using it is as common to him as speaking or eating. The aforementioned could also be said of Sasarai but his magic in Suikoden 3 is clearly lower than that of Luc.

Speaking of Viki being the only one able to teleport people: Luc teleported your party out of Leknaats tower, remember, and he didn`t even use a Blinking rune for that!

By the way: Luc also happens to be able to hold more than one True rune! Crowley may be able to embed 100 runes on himself but come on: how many different runes are there anyway? What do you plan to do with 20 fire runes you can`t do with just 1?

Conclusion
There`s no way around it, folks: Luc and none other is the greatest magician ever! You could argue that he has an unfair advantage since he`s not exactly human being a clone and all. Either way we cannot ignore the fact he wipes the floor with anyone when it comes to magical power and raw talent. With or without his True Wind rune!
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard: Write down what you consider as the criteria for "most powerful wizard" in a single sentence.

A powerful wizard is someone who manipulates fully magic (forces of creation/runes) to create, destroy or modify all things in existence.

2) Name of Wizard: Simply write the name of your pick.

Hikussak.

3) Example: Write an episode that showcases how powerful this wizard is.

Hikusaak is the most fearsome wizard in the world, not only he built a awesome empire, as he uses a true rune to its full capacity. He is the only mage who was ever able to create life, he manage to create clones of him self and he has several true rune bearer under his control.
Other powerful mages such as Leeknaat and Windy fear him.

4) Comparison: Compare this wizard with two other wizards in Suikoden. Argue how your pick is superior to these two other wizards.

Hikusaak is undoubtly stronger than Windy and Crowley.

Note that Crowley's objective is to be achieve True Rune powers without the use of True Runes, if that´s his objective, than he is still not as strong as someone who fully uses a True rune. So he is more powerful than Crowley.

Windy is one of the most powerful wizards in Suikoden, she was able to sumon 100.000 monsters (much more than Sara+Luc) and it was necessary 1.5 True runes to unsummon them (Leeknaat+Joshua).
Even if she has 3 True rune´s bearers helping her (Barbarossa, Neclord and Yuber), she wouldn't dare to chalenge Hikkussak without using 2 True runes at once. Hikussak must be the most powerful person alive.

5) Opinion & Conclusion: Write your opinions on why this character is the most powerful wizard. Then, conclude your passage gracefully.

- Some of the most powerful mages fear him.
- He has some unique magis, like cloning and manipulating True runes.
- He mastered the use of a True rune
He is the most powerful in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard:

Someone who is powerful and is able to harness that power. Wise and thoughtful.

2) Name of Wizard:

Leknaat

3) Example: Write an episode that showcases how powerful this wizard is.

Leknaat has been around every single Suikoden, and while she may not have had the power to stop Luc in Suikoden III. I believe she's wiser, and this in turn, makes her more powerful. Also, Luc had the advantage of bearing a True Rune, while she only carried half a True Rune. She also seems to have lived for a longer time and her knowledge is extensive, and her connection to the True Runes seem somewhat uncanny.
It seems weird how she can somehow always detect when someone has taken up a True Rune. Her attitude also dictates the fact that she's a kind person, and someone whose considerate for others.

4) Comparison: Compare this wizard with two other wizards in Suikoden. Argue how your pick is superior to these two other wizards.

Windy - They are probably equal in battle, but considering Windy seems to be the more aggressive sister.. she probably didn't wish to confront her. This doesn't mean Leknaat was weaker than her, it just means her chances against Windy were probably only 50/50.. and if she lost, that'd have meant the other half of the Gate Rune would have ended up in Windy's hands. I think they may be equal

Luc - Towards Suikoden III, it's true that Luc became stronger than her in terms of magic.. but I believe that if you stripped both of them down and gave them a Fire Rune. Leknaat would probably deal more damage anyway. It's really about who has the stronger rune in this case, and Luc had the advantage of that.

5) Opinion & Conclusion: Write your opinions on why this character is the most powerful wizard. Then, conclude your passage gracefully

She's knowledgable, she's powerful and she has an odd connection to the True Runes. She's also been around for a long time and considering the time difference between all Suikoden I - V is quite big.. you know she's at least probably over 200-300+ year old.

She's also been a guide for most of this game, making sure all the stars fall in place. I believe that's quite a power, so Leknaat would be the most powerful mage in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

1) Your definition of powerful wizard: Write down what you consider as the criteria for "most powerful wizard" in a single sentence.

Criteria for the most powerful wizard is for me both the understanding of mechanisms of any rune as much as the actual use of them with the most powerful effect possible for each rune.

2) Name of Wizard: Simply write the name of your pick.

Crowley

3) Example: Write an episode that showcases how powerful this wizard is.

Crowley is/was the teacher of many great wizards. He had people like Piccolo as pupil who isn't really great as magician, but also Esthella, who is a lot stronger, although probably not as strong as she claims to be. But his most famous scholar is certainly Mazus. This magician comes closer to his abiltity and skills than any other person we know. When they clashed in a real battle, both of them died, but not without destroying a lot of the environments at their battleground. Crowley was even skilled enough to bear a hundred runes on his body, although even the most experienced magicians were never able to control more than three at one time.

4) Comparison: Compare this wizard with two other wizards in Suikoden. Argue how your pick is superior to these two other wizards.

The first magician who can compete with the legendary Crowley is his student Mazus. He was able to stand his ground at a duel which created enormously devasting powers. Both of them died and I am not sure if the time that was needed to be reborn actually says much about their powers, but hundred of years later we see Mazus studying and training in a cave, because he himself was not convinced that he was already strong enough to be the victor of the next duel

A magician who probably can't compete in terms of actual destructive forces, although he was able to let the earth fall in when he needed a hole, is Levi. He sees himself as great wizard, perhaps as the greatest, but as he says himself he isn't really that much interested in pure powers. He searches for knowledge and his studies about the possibilties to carry and bear more than one true rune at a time are to my personal knowledge pretty unique.

5) Opinion & Conclusion: Write your opinions on why this character is the most powerful wizard. Then, conclude your passage gracefully.

Crowley is a legend and a luminary alltogether. He was not only powerful in his use of the runes, a power that allows him to change the surface of the earth, but was also known for his techniques and studies. He trained some great magicians, but he is the greatest, because he invented both the unite attack and was able to attach 100 runes on his body.
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