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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I backed digital only and then switched to digital/physical like a day later. I would have loved to put my cat in the game but I (sadly) couldn't justify dropping $1500 on that.

I've gotta say, I don't usually back kickstarters for anything that isn't board games, but this one is really working as a hype generator for me!
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It's a pretty well handled kickstarter, and given how beautiful the little bit of game play seen so far it's no surprise that it gained traction. Enough to break Kickstarter's website though is amazingly awesome. I'm excited to try the beta.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

So from someone who has never done a kickstarter before.....is this a big success already? How much would have to be pledged for this to really make the big game companies pause?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Barbarossa Rugner wrote:
So from someone who has never done a kickstarter before.....is this a big success already? How much would have to be pledged for this to really make the big game companies pause?


I think if this goes to 5 million, that would be quite surprising.
The current condition has already exceeded expectations, so various news sites (not only gaming news sites) have been reporting this.
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Oh boy! So does this mean in a couple years we will all be playing an Eiyuden Chronicle war game on a new forum??? :D
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Haha, not unless we have our own kickstarter to support Suikox -- that way I won't need to have a job and can just focus on Suikox.
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So true. We are not as young as we used to be. Time is money now.
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Barbarossa Rugner wrote:
So true. We are not as young as we used to be. Time is money now.


Yep, and I made the first Suikosource about an year into my first career. Back then I was able to work at my workplace 70 hours overtime and still add tons of content on the site every day. All that changed in late 2007 when I was diagnosed with this illness and chemo took all the energy out of me. Things have never been the same since then.
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Barbarossa Rugner wrote:
So true. We are not as young as we used to be. Time is money now.


I would say we don't have delusions of grandeur, actually. The battle system which we had put together at Senso Suikoden actually worked quite well, the problem was we didn't have the knowledge or the tools to automate it. The best I could do was create an Excel spreadsheet which could spit out the numbers, but even then it wasn't quite so simple.

Then, it was taking the results and writing them up.

The part which actually ate a lot of my time there was the stat growth. Sage came up with the math for the growth of each race/class combo, after which I looked up how the stats typically developed in the games from info on Suikosource, then I used an RNG to generate 99 levels for each combination. As I lack the knowledge of how to have PHP do all that stuff, it had to be hard coded.

I found a test battle I had run while I was getting used to the system following Parallax's passing and, for fun, I'll post it here, along with my worksheet, it doesn't format well, even with the code tag, but it's to be expected when pasting from a notepad file. I couldn't locate my spreadsheet so I don't have the calculations for the actual combat. The party and monsters were set at level 33 for the test and I think I used an outdated version of the stats, so things would have looked different had the thing been able to get off the ground.

The Island Nations Party engages a formation of enemies!

ROUND ONE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 248/248)
Rogers (HP: 338/338)
Regina (HP: 246/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 216/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (100%)
Furball 2 (100%)
Furball 3 (100%)

Back Row (L-R)
Whip Wolf 1 (100%)
Whip Wolf 2 (100%)

Regina rushes forward and claws at Furball 2, but misses.

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 2 and lands a devastating blow, dealing 204 points of damage.

Han aims his bow at Whip Wolf 1 and lands a CRITICAL HIT. dealing 103 points of damage!

Whip Wolf 1 lunges at Kitt and lands a direct hit! Kitt suffers 60 points of damage.

Whip Wolf 2 lunges at Rico but misses

Neil casts Breath of Ice and deals 204 points of damage to each Furball and 219 points of damage to each Whip Wolf!

Rico tosses his spear and connects with Furball 2, dealing 136 points of damage.

Furball 1 lands a CRITICAL HIT hit on Neil, dealing 50 points of damage!

Furball 2 attacks Rico, but Rico dodges out of the way.

Furball 3 attacks Rogers, but Rogers dodges out of the way

Rogers rushes forward and swings his axe connects with Furball 2, dealing 143 points of damage.

ROUND TWO

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Rogers (HP: 338/338)
Regina (HP: 246/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (90%)
Furball 2 (66%)
Furball 3 (90%)

Back Row (L-R)
Whip Wolf 1 (8%)
Whip Wolf 2 (37%)

Regina rushes forward and claws at Furball 2, but Furball 2 dodges the attack.

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 1 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 408 points of damage!

Han aims his bow at Whip Wolf 1 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 103 points of damage!

Whip Wolf 1 has been defeated!

Whip Wolf 2 lunges at Rogers and lands a direct hit! Rogers suffers 139 points of damage.

Neil casts Breath of Ice and deals 204 points of damage to each Furball and 219 points of damage to Whip Wolf 2!

Whip Wolf 2 has been defeated!

Rico tosses his spear and connects with a CRITICAL HIT on Furball 1, dealing 272 points of damage!

Furball 1 attacks Regina, dealing 40 points of damage.

Furball 2 attacks Han, dealing 54 points of damage.

Furball 3 lands a CRITICAL HIT on Rogers, dealin 168 points of damage!

Rogers pulls out a Medicine and drinks it, restoring 100 HP.

ROUND THREE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Rogers (HP: 131/338)
Regina (HP: 206/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (46%)
Furball 2 (55%)
Furball 3 (80%)

Back Row (L-R)
No one!

Regina rushes forward and lands a CRITICAL HIT on Furball 3, dealing 176 points of damage!

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 3 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 408 points of damage!

Han aims his bow at Furball 3 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 130 points of damage!

Neil casts Breath of Ice and deals 204 points of damage to each Furball!

Rico tosses his spear and connects with Furball 3, dealing 136 points of damage.

Furball 1 attacks Han and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 108 points of damage!

Furball 2 attacks Han, dealing 54 points of damage.

Furball 3 attacks Rogers and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 168 points of damage!

Rogers has been knocked unconscious!

Rico takes his place in the front row!

ROUND FOUR

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Regina (HP: 206/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 0/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (35%)
Furball 2 (45%)
Furball 3 (24%)

Back Row (L-R)
No one!

Regina rushes forward and lands a CRITICAL HIT on Furball 3, dealing 176 points of damage!

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 3 and lands a devastating blow, dealing 204 points of damage.

Han assumes a defensive posture.

Neil casts Mother Ocean to revive Rogers and fully restore his HP.

Rogers rises to his feet and brushes himself off, directing a nod of gratitude towards Neil.

Rico tosses his spear at Furball 3, but misses.

Furball 1 attacks Rogers, dealing 84 points of damage.

Furball 2 attacks Kitt and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 10 points of damage!

Furball 3 attacks Regina, dealing 40 points of damage.

ROUND FIVE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 178/248)
Regina (HP: 166/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 254/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (35%)
Furball 2 (45%)
Furball 3 (5%)

Back Row (L-R)
No one!

Regina rushes forward and lands a CRITICAL HIT on Furball 2, dealing 176 points of damage!

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 2 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 408 points of damage!

Han maintains his defensive posture.

Neil casts Breath of Ice and deals 204 points of damage to both Furballs!

Furball 3 has been defeated!

Rico tosses his spear and connects with Furball 2, dealing 136 points of damage.

Furball 2 has been defeated!

Furball 1 attacks Rogers, dealing 84 points of damage.

Rogers is unable to attack from the back row.

ROUND SIX

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 178/248)
Regina (HP: 166/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 170/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

vs.

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (25%)

Back Row (L-R)
No one!

Regina rushes forward and claws at Furball 1, dealing 88 points of damage.

Kitt swings his sword at Furball 1 and lands a CRITICAL HIT, dealing 408 points of damage!

Han maintains his defensive posture.

Neil casts Breath of Ice and deals 204 points of damage to Furball 1!

Furball 1 has been defeated!

The enemy formation has been destroyed! The party wins!

The party receives 17000 potch
The party receives 105 SP
The party receives 10500 experience!

Rico gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Rico gains a level!
Han gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Han gains a level!
Neil gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Neil gains a level!
Regina gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Regina gains a level!
Kitt gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Kitt gains a level!
Rogers gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Rogers gains a level!

There would likely have been tweaks made to the formatting to make it look more appealing. The stat stuff is fairly self-explanatory, the R1 - R4 stuff are rune casts available.

Code:
            Lvl      HP   Potch   ATK   DEF   MAG   MDF   SPD   SKL   LCK

Furball 1         35      12   4000   185   35   75   65   65   160   70
Furball 2         35      0   4000   185   35   75   65   65   160   70
Furball 3         35      0   4000   185   35   75   65   65   160   70
Whip Wolf 1         38      0   2500   240   70   75   50   150   50   55
Whip Wolf 2         38      0   2500   240   70   75   50   150   50   55


            Lvl      HP      ATK   DEF   MAG   MDF   SPD   SKL   LCK   WPN   R1 R2 R3 R4   

M - Rico (spear)      33      342      123   217   85   78   77   52   74   48   6  3  1  0         Accuracy -2      Armor Protect - 1   Heavy Damage - 2
S - Kitt (1 Sword)      33      178      156   180   60   54   151   171   111   42   5  2  1  0         Armor Protect -2   Damage -3 (25%)      Heavy Damage -1
S - Rogers (Axe)      33      170      136   101   44   65   59   81   124   35   4  1  0  0         Armor Protect -2   Damage -1 (5%)      Mag Resist -3
S - Regina (Claws)      33      166      71   145   85   78   178   138   137   48   6  3  1  0         Damage -1 (5%)      Heavy Damage -3      Repel -1
L - Han (Bow)         33      55      71   131   65   110   151   106   106   40   5  2  1  0         Accuracy -2      Damage -3 (25%)      Heavy Damage -1
M - Neil (Staff)      33      166      51   160   169   196   77   106   74   40   9  6  2  1   Flowing Rune   Magic -2      Mag Resist -3      Repel -2


Order:

Regina
Kitt
Han
Whip Wolf 1
Whip Wolf 2
Neil
Rico
Furball 1
Furball 2
Furball 3
Rogers

ROUND ONE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 248/248)
Rogers (HP: 338/338)
Regina (HP: 246/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 216/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (100%)
Furball 2 (100%)
Furball 3 (100%)

Back Row (L-R)
Whip Wolf 1 (100%)
Whip Wolf 2 (100%)

Regina         Regina misses
Kitt         204 damage to Furball 2
Han         CRITICAL HIT - 103 damage to Whip Wolf 1
Whip Wolf 1      60 damage to Kitt
Whip Wolf 2      Whip Wolf 2 misses
Neil         204 damage to Furball / 219 damage to Whip Wolf
Rico         136 damage to Furball 2
Furball 1      CRITICAL HIT - 50 damage to Neil
Furball 2      Rico dodges
Furball 3      Rogers dodges
Rogers         143 damage to Furball 2

ROUND TWO

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Rogers (HP: 338/338)
Regina (HP: 246/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (90%)
Furball 2 (66%)
Furball 3 (90%)

Back Row (L-R)
Whip Wolf 1 (8%)
Whip Wolf 2 (37%)

Regina         Furball 2 dodges
Kitt         CRITICaL HIT - 408 damage to Furball 1
Han         CRITICAL HIT - 103 damage to Whip Wolf 1 - Whip Wolf 1 is defeated
Whip Wolf 2      139 damage to Rogers
Neil         204 damage to Furball / 219 damage to Whip Wolf - Whip Wolf 2 is defeated
Rico         CRITICAL HIT - 272 damage to Furball 1
Furball 1      40 damage to Regina
Furball 2      54 damage to Han
Furball 3      CRITICAL HIT - 168 damage to Rogers
Rogers         Rogers uses a Medicine on himself, restoring 100 HP

ROUND THREE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Rogers (HP: 131/338)
Regina (HP: 206/246)

Back Row (L-R)
Rico (HP: 342/342)
Han (HP: 271/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (46%)
Furball 2 (55%)
Furball 3 (80%)

Back Row (L-R)
Nobody

Regina         CRITICAL HIT - 176 damage to Furball 3
Kitt         CRITICAL HIT - 408 damage to Furball 3
Han         CRITICAL HIT - 190 damage to Furball 3
Neil         204 damage to Furball
Rico         136 damage to Furball 3
Furball 1      CRITICAL HIT - 108 damage to Han
Furball 2      54 damage to Han
Furball 3      CRITICAL HIT - 168 damage to Rogers - Rogers is KO

ROUND FOUR

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 188/248)
Regina (HP: 206/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 0/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (35%)
Furball 2 (45%)
Furball 3 (24%)

Back Row (L-R)
Nobody

Regina         CRITICAL HIT - 176 damage to Furball 3
Kitt         204 damage to Furball 3
Han         Han defends
Neil         Casts Mother Ocean - revives Rogers
Rico         Rico misses
Furball 1      84 damage to Rogers
Furball 2      CRITICAL HIT - 10 damage to Kitt
Furball 3      40 damage to Regina

ROUND FIVE

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 178/248)
Regina (HP: 166/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 254/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (35%)
Furball 2 (45%)
Furball 3 (5%)

Back Row (L-R)
Nobody

Regina         CRITICAL HIT - 176 damage to Furball 2
Kitt         CRITICAL HIT - 408 damage to Furball 2
Han         Han defends
Neil         204 damage to Furball - Furball 3 is defeated
Rico         136 damage to Furball 2 - Furball 2 is defeated
Furball 1      84 damage to Rogers
Rogers         Rogers cannot attack

ROUND SIX

Front Row (L-R)
Kitt (HP: 178/248)
Regina (HP: 166/246)
Rico (HP: 342/342)

Back Row (L-R)
Rogers (HP: 170/338)
Han (HP: 55/271)
Neil (HP: 166/216)

Front Row (L-R)
Furball 1 (25%)

Back Row (L-R)
Nobody

Regina         88 damage to Furball 1
Kitt         CRITICAL HIT - 408 damage to Furball 1
Han         Han defends
Neil         204 damage to Furball 1 - Furball 1 is defeated

The party wins!

The party receives 17000 potch
The party receives 105 SP
The party receives 10500 experience!

Rico gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Rico gains a level!
Han gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Han gains a level!
Neil gains 1750 experience (33749) and 18 SP. Neil gains a level!
Regina gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Regina gains a level!
Kitt gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Kitt gains a level!
Rogers gains 1750 experience (33749) and 17 SP. Rogers gains a level!


My first test actually involved a modified version of the Queen Ant boss battle, but the party was wiped out so it didn't seem like a good one to present as an example.
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We're due an update on 7th October in case anyone missed this news.
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