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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Its not real and won't hurt anyone! Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

a while ago I discoverd a huge topic on one of deviant art's forums about how Australia had made Shota and Lolicon Illegal.
Browsing said site I had discoverd some lovers, supporters, readers and artists of said "genera" Then I had made a new topic about if said genera shold be allowed on site(mind you porn really isn't allowed)
It was a pretty good sucsss by my posting standerds, a lot of people leaned towds a big "hell no", save for a rare few Lolicon lovers.
I supposed one can make an argument that it is "just art/drawings" and that someone who looks at cute little kids acting sexy, or writing stories of 10 year old boys in romantic relationships with adults, or another little boy is "just fiction" and it is healthy, safe, natural and harmless, "because no real kids get hurt" Some mentioned the drawing of racist art
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Assuming you're drawing nazi propaganda - you don't kill any Jews or communists for this, but the result is still a work that glorifies an ideology of hate, racism and nationalism. Similarly, if you draw shota or loli, you're not hurting any real children (hopefully) but the result is still one that trivializes or even glorifies the real child porn.

Shota or loli depicts little kids in sexual situations like it's something cute or normal. It trivializes and plays down the reality.
That's my point.
in reaction to one of the "lolicon" supporters.

with that I then made a new topic arguing, if cartoon child porn is artistic and harmless then 'hate speech' can be considered performance art, why not?

What about all those old cartoons that are now considered horridly racist, non PC and outdated? You cannot see them anymore, but hey! Its just a cartoon, so what right?

People can argue the same for violence and video games, everyone loves blaming violence on video games. Its fictional it hurts nobody, Same with kiddy porn and racist cartoon characters.

It is very amazing watching 15 yr old girls support their hobby and explain why their kind likes what is essentially child porn, but its wrong for me to laugh or call them sickos. Apparently just because they or a grown man is into it doesn't mean they are prone to hurting a real child.

http://forum.deviantart.com/community/art/1033447/ anyway have fun. discuss in this topic how anything wrong and bad isn't because its fictional, support claims, say it is so or isn't, its all intersting.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Well, I don't know what the whole obsession over drawn girls or boys is. Young or old, so my opinion is moot I suppose. However, Child porn is illegal therefor, so should drawn girls and boys who are obviously not of sexual maturity in sexual positions. Cherubs are not of sexual content so they would be excluded. However anyone who draws intricate "paraphernalia" on a cherub needs their head examined.

That Nazi line is bull because the effects of what the Nazis did brings horrific memories and thoughts to the Jewish faith. While those who take the sight of a swastika as "OMG they need to die for showing that" is out of line as well.

Loli, Shota and all that stuff is gross and should be illegal.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm not supporting it but I think that maybe it shouldn't be illegal, except for the gross and bizzarre things. There are some story's out there that involve that concept (either in imagery or in plot) that turn out to be nothing. Or what if a story just has a character with a Shota or Loli apperance...should that be illegal, even if there is not even a "true" hint of connotations? Examples: Hunny from Ouran Highschool Host Club and Yachiru from Bleach.

So yes, ban explicit things, but not the whole concept.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Even if the entire world outside Japan bans this, there will still be a market for it and it will still be produced/distributed. Unless you cut it off at the source and Japan suddenly outlaws it, the industry for it will always be there - wrong as it is. Japan is unlikely to outlaw it, the whole country is already so pro-pervert its a lost cause.

I do applaud the move by the Aussies though, I mean drawn or real the concept is the same and its the same kind of people that will enjoy it. The lines blur with things like Manabi Straight where the entire thing is essentially 'innocent loli' and at the end of the series they're all 18 but still look 12. Anime/manga characters are easy to attach arbitrary ages to to make them 'legal', but the fact is if they look 12 you're going to think of them as that age.

At least by making it illegal it potentially limits the exposure - but then how do you moderate such things... Manabi Straight is clearly loli characters however they don't do anything sexually explicit... then again I'm sure you could search the net and come up with hundreds of explicit images of the series. Censorship is such a hard thing in the information age.
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