Sexuality in Suikoden

[leena fighter]

[Dragonstar13]

Oh right, sorry brain didn't kick in :? Its Jillia not Julia.

[Lucied]

Seeing Saben's last post, on page 2 (for those with default settings), makes me glad I decided not to read all the posts in this topic. I might have exploded, had I. Probably be banned, too.

In my own little world, I like to think Kasios is gay. I love Kasios ^_^ Lala. He's my fave Suiko 1 character. I was shocked when an old friend (who now runs this site) said at the Castle Of Kain that Kasios is male. My jaw dropped, and I fell in love with the character ^_^

But, not all sexuality has to be homosexual. I mean, Jess seems like an obsessive lover/stalker. Neclord likes to dominate. Sierra likes the lights off. That kind of thing.

I like all the "hints" Konami put into Suikoden 3 about Chris' sexuality. Her bond with Yun, the bath scenes with Ayame and Cecile respectively, among other things. They don't go out and say it exactly, but they hint that Chris seems more intrigued by, and caring for females.

And I could go on about the relationship of Riou and Nanami. I know, some are like, "Eww! Incest! Yuck! >_<" But, they aren't actually related. Hah XD Not like I would care if they were. Nanami always gets so flustered whenever another girl tries to get close to Riou. She's afraid they will steal away her dear, sweet, adopted brother.

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What? This is a sexuality thread, isn't it? That includes everything XP I know, no adult content. Well, I'm trying to keep it clean.

[Shiva]

I was wondering when this topic would pop up. ^^; Okay, here's my two cents, and it's rather lengthy.

[Sualtam Lugh]

You guys really don't get it do you...

Speculation on this kind of thing is kind of stupid. Think about it. You're a character creator at Konami. You just drew Luca BLight, but you don't have a name for him yet. You look at his face, and it's not evil enough, so you draw the shadow. He's certainly evil. The blight of the world. Ah, that's a good last name.
Something Blight. Hmm.....Luca Blight. Thats it!

Do you actually truly think when they were making the characters they were thinking:

Ok... Tir's straight, Phan's straight, Cleo's straight, Gremio's gay.
Teo's Straight, Alen's straight, Grenseal's straight, Viktor's a mo.

Of course they didn't. There's no basis whatsoever for sexuality in this game. NONE!

I mean, what legitimate reason would Konami have to stating everyone's sexuality?
I mean, half of them are kind of obvious, but that's not the point.

As for Luca being gay....I don't see it. I see him as a man who thinks sex is for the weak. All he thinks about is murder, similar to a serial killer. The difference between him, and say, Gacy, is that he doesn't lure little boys to his house, **** them, kill them, and then bury their bodies below his house, and go out as a clown for his next pray. No, Luca kills em right in front of his parents.

Why I don't think he likes sex too much? Scarred when he saw his mother get raped. It's a common thing to happen when you see someone you love get raped.
I still don't see how that didn't come up over the varies ways he could be homosexual.

As for Saben flipping, amen. I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK is very very very demeaning. You're certainly no better then someone who likes the same sex. They're still human. We're all the same. I could call you a *insert whatever the hell race you are* to demean you the same way. It's not fair. Not in any way. I expected better from you Sun. You've said such smart things everywhere else. And if you were joking? Well don't conform to the rest of society and think being gay is wrong. Cause society is stupid. (Society follows the media, which is certainly bullshit).

There really is no basis for sexuality in a video game, unless it's actually part of the plot...NO Luca isn't a crazed homo wanting to rape all the children in the City-State. Minds out of the gutter.

See what I mean? When you throw things like Sexuality and Racist into a game, it takes all the fun out of it. Cause then you think "What did they mean by this" and it stops being a game when you start finding those kind of things. Suikoden is a game, not the 108 types of homosexuals.

[Queen]

I think that Luca Blight suffers from a severe case of Oedipus Complex. He's so much a mama's boy, he can't become attracted to women.

I think Yuber(in game Yubs) is gay. I don't know why but I cannot imagine Yuber with a woman in any situation. Other people I have talked to share this sentiment.

Sasarai's a bit of a pansy, but it doesn't help when you're drawn to look slightly girlish. :p

Albert is self-explanatory. I think he's with Yuber.(canon I know) Although, Albert seems to be a bit narcissistic.

Riou is a fruit.

Luc is a pineapple. Spiny on the outside, sweet on the inside. ^-^

Hix is a rice cake(unflavored), but I think we already know that.(I apologize if I offend any fans of Hix.)

I have gotten a bit off topic, so I'll stop writing.
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[Stampede]

As far as Percival goes, the Manga seems to be hinting at them coupling up at some point, as near as my spotty Japanese can tell me. Perhaps the English version will reveal more to me later. Or I could, you know, go back to studying, but... damn, that's a lotta work...

And Yuber? He's a chaos demon. He probably doesn't even have genitals. Pairing him up with Albert doesn't seem to have a whole lotta basis to it, considering Albert regards everyone around him as little more than pieces on a chessboard. Albert/Yuber pairings fall under the general Yaoi formula of "I think X is hot and Y is hot, so they must play 'hide the sausage' off camera." Albert strikes me as the type of person who considers himself above basic biological imperatives like that, and would have very 'business-like' sex with a woman who he married to improve his political standing so he could have an heir to further solidify his position and then be done with it.
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[Kobold]

For one thing, i agree with Pyroflame... Konami most certainly didn't specify sexuality for their characters. They have better things to do...

Still, what this discussion is about is what sexual orientation characters SEEM to have in the game by their behaviour and stuff...

Still, i'd like to think of them all as straight... Except maybe for Kasios... And well, someone should know, but i find Culgan and Seed being thrown together that way annoying...
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[nightrider]

[Sun_Quan]

[Saben]

Apology accepted, I know you probably weren't just thinking, which while not a good thing can happen to the best of us.

I essentially agree with Kobold and Pyroflame, by and large unless relationships were stated then Konami really didn't intend for the character to be in a relationship. However, this topic is about your perception of the sexuality and relationships of characters (sexuality means more than just gender orientation, remember) so we can debate and discuss it without ever really needing to go into what Konami intended or was thinking about. It is merely speculation and hopefully speculation with in-game facts to back it up.

[Vextor]

[Stampede]

Mathiu also refers to himself as a Military Surgeon, but I never see him serving as a meatball doctor. Is "military surgeon" really a possible translation for the Japanese word for "strategist" or is it just a half-ass translation that the localization team sorta cooked up?
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[Sun_Quan]

Indeed, and the main reason I was laughing about the whole Luca being gay thing is because I just didn't see it. If I did see it, I probably wouldn't have been. But besides that, I tell the truth here, I was not thinking at the time, good relationship gone bad type deal is what was happening to me during when I stated what I did, as I said, I was desparate for a laugh.

Anyway, most speculating here has been for the most part valid in my books, the only thing I've not seen is someone who could speculate about Thomas and Cecille. I definitely see potential for a relationship between these two, yes, it might not seem it right now since they are both young, and have alot of growing up to do, but I think as time grows on, if they keep in touch (most likely they will) that there will be feelings starting to brew between them. You know how it is, friends first, and then lovers later? Those are the best relationships, as you get to know the person like the back of your hand, and know what they like and dislike, and what can satisfy them.

Anyway, I hope that you all can forgive me for that mishap back there. And thank you Saben for understanding. Take care of yourself until next time. And I look forward to seeing what people think of my idea of Thomas and Cecille.
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[Sun_Quan]