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Esra
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 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: How Can a Person.... |
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How SICK Is THIS!?
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BAKERSFIELD -- The woman taken to Kern Medical Center with severe burns on Tuesday will undergo surgery on Friday at a burn center in Fresno.
Jacqueline Ortiz, a mother of two children, is undergoing surgery to clear her lungs, according to a family member.
Ortiz was brought to KMC by her boyfriend, Israel Evaro Jr., on Tuesday morning. She was later transferred to a burn center in the Fresno area.
Police arrested Evaro on Wednesday on suspicion of taking Ortiz out to a field in northeast Bakersfield, dousing her with gasoline and setting her on fire.
Evaro was arraigned Thursday afternoon on several charges, including attempted murder.
He was supposed to be in court next Monday on charges that he beat and terrorized the same woman he allegedly tried to kill Tuesday.
In court Thursday, Evaro heard the charges against him and that he would receive no bail and must stay away from the victim.
This isn't Evaro's first run-in with the law. He was to be in court next week to face charges of battery on the same victim in the latest cast and has several other arrests for various crimes, including drug possession and spousal abuse, although some of those charges were dismissed. |
How a person can do something like this is incomprehencable. There is no doubt in my mind that this man- this Monster is guilty for what has happened to Jacqueline.
I hear alot of horrible things that happen to people on the news and read it in the paper, But this one hit close to home. I not only knew this girl, but she was my co-worker.... And I had talked with her not even three days before it happened. She'll never be the same, granted if she even survives....
Basically... This @#%& had tried to kill her so that she couldn't testify against him in court for him beating her sensless a month or so earlier.
The second he was released he went after her again.
The thing that bothers me even more is how he tried to kill her. To CHOOSE to burn someone to death is simply beyond barbaric. This is one of the most painful ways to die. How can a person want to do something so sadistic... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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There are some severly sick people out there. THis is one of the testimonials to them. Just look at some of the sick shit that serial killers pull. It always makes it worse when you know the victim in some way. It sucks that she was your co-worker and it sucks even more that its gonna probably take years for her to put this behind her.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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man.... that guy is sick
what kind of man that kills a woman like that?! :no:
what a disgrace... :x |
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Masaya
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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It's kind of sad, how people can be raised and grown up to think that is ok. For the fact that he has done abused spouses many times before. Chances are he was abused alot as a child..and or grew up where his mother had been abused. Thats alot of times the obvious choice..however it might even go deeper in maybe he grew up with a lack of regard to human life. I guess they'd need get into his past and do a evaluation. Still...things like this make me sick and dont' make me look forward into goign into Abnormal Pyschology. I'm deffeintly Not going to be a social worker or such to anything close..
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Valec
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ... Crazy son of a #$^#&... Why not put a bullet to his head?? They should treat all cases of this sort with death. Torture is far worse than just straight murder... :x |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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That is just absolutely disgusting.. The poor woman. I don't know if I'd even want to live through something like that. There are some seriously messed up people in this world.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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This kind of crap doesn't even surprise me anymore...This idiot should have been in JAIL awaiting trial...and yet our pro-criminal justice system fails us again and look what happens. It's cases like this that makes me wish for judges with enough guts to lock these humanoid scum in jail forever...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, that is tame by my standards. It was probably drugs that caused him to do it, from the sounds of the other cases against him.
My question is... why was she with him?!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| ... Crazy son of a #$^#&... Why not put a bullet to his head?? They should treat all cases of this sort with death. Torture is far worse than just straight murder... |
I agree that people who are capable of doing things like torturing should never be allowed to live freely again. I think those guys aren't able to use a second chance, so they shouldn't been given a second chance. I don't think these guys can be taught to behave how they should in society, so lock them up and never let them out. But I disagree that those persons should be killed! Nobody should be allowed to take someone's life. To put these guys in jail is to secure safety for both them and everybody else, but death shouldn't be allowed.
I understand the hatress and why people, especially people who know the victim, demand his death, but I am convinced that no government should be allowed to take life, not in war and esoecially not in court. I don't see where the cold-blooded order to kill a human being should be better than a murder under drugs or because of money or whatever reason someone has for this crime. I don't understand why it should be justice when twelve people and the judge and the attoney order to kill.
I haven't lost a beloved person due a crime, but does that really take away the pain? To see the criminal die, does that make the beloved person alive again?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Valec wrote: |
| ... Crazy son of a #$^#&... Why not put a bullet to his head?? They should treat all cases of this sort with death. Torture is far worse than just straight murder... |
I agree that people who are capable of doing things like torturing should never be allowed to live freely again. I think those guys aren't able to use a second chance, so they shouldn't been given a second chance. I don't think these guys can be taught to behave how they should in society, so lock them up and never let them out. But I disagree that those persons should be killed! Nobody should be allowed to take someone's life. To put these guys in jail is to secure safety for both them and everybody else, but death shouldn't be allowed.
I understand the hatress and why people, especially people who know the victim, demand his death, but I am convinced that no government should be allowed to take life, not in war and esoecially not in court. I don't see where the cold-blooded order to kill a human being should be better than a murder under drugs or because of money or whatever reason someone has for this crime. I don't understand why it should be justice when twelve people and the judge and the attoney order to kill.
I haven't lost a beloved person due a crime, but does that really take away the pain? To see the criminal die, does that make the beloved person alive again? |
Families of victims often ask, "Why is he/she allowed to live, when my child was not?"
Why should they continue to have the right to live, when they have denied that right to others.
Unfortunately for this bastard, he committed his crime in an area known for being tough in the courtroom. So, no matter what happens to Jacqueline(Last time I heard, she was still alive), he's in for some serious justice.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm currently involved, as a witness, in a rape crime trial in my county. It wouldn't be a big deal however it was all over the news for weeks, America's Most Wanted, and in every NY newspaper (maybe some of you know it now). About a goth fellow named Eric Fischer who has been arrested twice for rape (both charges are outstanding and trial is in April).
During his being released on $1,000 bail, he raped an additional girl, as well as being caught by the Suffolk County police cyber crimes unit. During the investigation there was enough child pornography and victims(from 10yrs old to 16) that the total number thus far confirmed is over 26. The judge let him go on $10,000 bail.
$10,000 = Get out of jail for 26 rape charges.
But if he's convicted (which is inevitable) I'm sure he'll get a fair treatment once IN penal system. I'll be sure to give him a soap on a rope. :twisted: |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ...I don't believe taking the life of another is wrong as long as it's punishment for attempting to or taking somebody's life. It's like a fire... You have to completely snuff it out or it spreads again. If he isn't put to death, other people will see that they can do the same thing and live their lives out in jail. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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"Snuffing out a fire" doesn't mean taking an eye for an eye. It means changing the way our society thinks so it doesn't happen again.
I agree that this m-fer shouldn't be "allowed" to walk free. I'm calling for his head on a stick. But honestly, what does that do? It inspires hatred and anger in an already frigged up world. Lock him up and raise your kids properly. That's all you can do. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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"Snuffing out a fire" doesn't mean taking an eye for an eye. It means changing the way our society thinks so it doesn't happen again.
I agree that this m-fer shouldn't be "allowed" to walk free. I'm calling for his head on a stick. But honestly, what does that do? It inspires hatred and anger in an already frigged up world. Lock him up and raise your kids properly. That's all you can do. |
The prisons are filled to the brim as it is, and with parol, some of these killers get out with ridiculously light sentences. One such case being the broomstick killer. Because the prisons were so full they had to let some go just to make room. He was set free and he kiled again.(and not just once)
Sure one can try to raise their kids right, but sometimes doing all the right things can't stop the inevitable. If your kid's a bad seed, nothing you can do can change that.
As for what this little sh** did, he should be put to death, even if Jacqueline doens't die. He beat her til' she couldn't move, then doused her in gasoline and then set her on fire. He intended for her to die from fire in order to shut her up. She was to testify against him in court today.
Sometimes an eye for an eye is necessary.
Personally I think the murder/rapist/torturer should receive the EXACT same punishment they delt their victims, in the EXACT same manner. That way the punishment will fit the crime, literally.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure one can try to raise their kids right, but sometimes doing all the right things can't stop the inevitable. If your kid's a bad seed, nothing you can do can change that |
I'm one who usually says these exact words in other areas of debate, and I agree with this. I wasn't stating otherwise. However, you see the quality of people raising kids these days and it's less to be desired. Surely all the parents in the world are trying to raise their kids right. There is an epidemic of neglect.
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| Personally I think the murder/rapist/torturer should receive the EXACT same punishment they delt their victims, in the EXACT same manner. That way the punishment will fit the crime, literally. |
And...what exactly does that accomplish? I understand about not being deserving to live, but what does retaliating with the same vicious behaviour, accomplish? It riles everyone up and teaches us to hate. You're just trapped in a negative mentality that won't bring your loved one back, nor ease what pain they had to go through. |
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