The Official Pesmerga/Yuber Thread

Solitude · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:

I always kind of figured that Yuber and Pesmerga were one in the same just a split personality or emotion. Hmm.... how can explain my thought better. Right I know, for everyone who has seen Dragon Ball Z (and I know everyone has regardless if you hate it or not because I myself hate it but have still seen it) Picolo and Kame (the green guys) are really one in the same. Picolo is basically all of Kame's hatred and what not right. I remember an episode where I saw Picolo like rip out of Kame's body or something, I can't quite recall right now. Anyway their really the same person is what I'm trying to say......not lovers anyway.

runemaster · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:12 am Post subject:

Solitude, that is a very good idea but there is just one thing, if they were one and the same then i would like to know why Pesmerga is after Yuber. I have to be honest and still believe they are the incarnations of sword and shield and their final fight will end suikoden.
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Tokuro · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

I also think that both of them are the same entity and they share a true rune. It that is the truth Pesmerga is after yuber for two reasons:
1- To regain his power (their power must have been gone splited in half)
2- I actually think that if they are the same thing Pesmerga would be the "dominant will" betwenn the two. That is why Yuber runs, or perhaps Yuber have got a half of Pesmerga's true rune and he want it back

Valec · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:33 am Post subject:

Hmmmm... I've noticed that if you transfer Suikoden data to Suikoden II with Pesmerga holding the clone rune in the first of the two, it supposedly transfers. At least that's what I've heard. The clone rune seems a little similar to the rune Yuber carries with the after image connection... I find it odd that the clone rune, kind of like a stemmed rune like Bright Shield --> Shield Rune, would transfer on the guy chasing someone who carries what may be the root rune of its kind... It may be a bit far-fetched, but it's a bit to go on.

Tokuro · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject:

I haven't got your point Vallec. What the clone rune does it again? I think that wath you meant is that Pesmerga is a part of Yuber?

Valec · Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject:

Maybe... I'm not fully sure. The clone rune leaves an after image and does twice the usual amount of damage if you played Suikoden 1. In Suikoden 3, Yuber's rune creates three of himself. It puzzles me that only that rune would transfer to Suikoden 2 on only Pesmerga who is chasing Yuber. I simply think there might be a connection between the clone rune and Yuber's rune. (Which I can't remember the name of at this moment) I'm simply saying the clone rune may be some sort of... Hint to the connection between Yuber and Pesmerga. There IS something, but I have yet to figure it out. I've played every Suikoden game except for Suikoden V all the way through, unlocking everything possible and learning character backgrounds. It's just one of those mysteries where the puzzle pieces are there, but the pieces fit together in many different ways.

Solitude · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

I think Yuber's rune is called the Eight Fold Rune or something like that. I can't quite recall it at this time. However now you are making more sense. In your original post I had no idea what you were talking about with the clone rune. You didn't specify that it only transfers over on Pesmerga and not anybody else. I however cannot confirm or deny that statement because I am missing Suikoden I from my collection. I don't know about the Clone Rune being related to Yuber's rune just based off the after image though. It's a stretch in my opinion but who knows.

Valec · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject:

Like I said... The puzzle pieces are all there, but they fit in many different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if Yuber is a main character at one time... Or perhaps Pesmerga at least. You know, simply to clear up the history they have.

I have a theory of my own, though... You know how Neclord became a runic vampire with the blue moon rune? Perhaps Pesmerga's family has been chasing Yuber for generations. Maybe Yuber was a member of some hell knight village or something and stole the rune. Then he misused it and became a demon. Or Pesmerga may have the same thing as Sierra had where she was able to pursue Neclord all those years.

For the simple mided...

Pesmerga is to Yuber as Sierra is to Neclord

I have so many theories on this, it's a wonder my brain doesn't explode.

Tokuro · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:59 am Post subject:

But arern't Yuber and Pesmerga the represantation of Dharma and the other name (I forgot)?

John Layfield · Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject:

Chaos.

That's only a common theory.
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PesmergaS · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:

What I think is that Pesmerga does have a personal reason to chase Yuber, but he also does it because he was ordered so from a "higher force" from the world of Emptiness. Maybe Yuber stole the Eightfold rune from Pesmerga, but what I believe is that also someone higher from the Black Knights ordered Pesmerga to follow.

For the simple minded :twisted: :

Pesmerga chases Yuber on a personal, but also on a "professional" mission.

This may and may not be trues but anyway. As the SARSadmin said, Yuber has shown himself sofar as far too small minded to be the final boss in Suikoden, all that he seeks is destruction, and he has very confined understanding of the world. That would mean that the fight against Yuber could be one of the most important battle at the end of Suikoden, but definitely not the final boss. But, Yuber is still a great mystery, as well as Pesmerga, so it wouldn't surprise me very much of the Konami people to show a whole new side of Yuber.
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Sparhawk · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:37 am Post subject:

Okay, I'm kinda sleepy so this ain't going to be put together all that well, but I just thought of something. Maybe Pesmrga and Yuber are incarnations of the Sword and Shield? You know, enemies that are always in conflict with each other. I'll be able to elaborate better on this tomorrow, but I justwanted to throw this theory up and see you guys pick it apart, analyze it and call me an idiot. :wink:
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Yvl · Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:

Sparhawk, that has indeed been speculated.
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Sparhawk · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:47 am Post subject:

Oh, well, I guess Iain't so stupid after all. It just seems that they both are driven by something that goes beyond a personal vendetta in Pesmerga's case, and a thirst for death in Yuber's.

People keep saying that they are from another dimension, but couldn't they just as likely be Sindars? We don't really know what ended up happening to them...Some of them might have went to this dimension they're from...
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Yvl · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject:

New theory: Yuber and Pesmerga were both once human, and have become the way they are now because of misuse of a true rune. They were also both friends, and Yuber was the one that got them into this mess, and Pesmerga wants revenge.
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