The Geographical Revelation Thread

[Blazing Camp]

I still think the "southlands" is referring to the area that was once Kooluk.

As for the unkown area and island west of Toran, it could possibly be all of Kannkan, or Kannakan on the mailand and the island being another country or unclaimed by any territory. Just a guess.

[John Layfield]

I've decided to have a small crack at a higher quality map than the two colour pixel versions I normally churn out in this thread.

It's large in dimension (1472x2545) and not too shabby in file size (914KB) so I'll be linking to it rather than directly posting it and stretching out everyones screen while eating up my bandwidth for every refresh.

It has a small Harmonian slant as you can probably tell from placenames and it is very much a map 'from the timeline' rather than a detached overview of the world.

It's not actually a complete version, I just made it up to improve my l337 skills and I decided to post it. Very few towns are mentioned, for example, and a lot of the north-eastern coast needs to be updated but I feel it's a good representation of the Suikoden world.

Enjoy. http://www.theirstar.com/images/worldmapattempt.jpg
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[Vextor]

Konami has said before that "Southlands" simply means "the south." It's not an actual geographical location. For example, people in Grassland used to call Jowston the "Southern City States." For those in Kooluk, Island Nations will be "Southland."

Wakana, Long Chan Chan, and Shin have "Southland" as their place of birth, but again this only means "southerly direction," and nothing else.

[John Layfield]

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Shoo, shoo! Out, damned spot! And so on.

The map has been edited to reflect this little tidbit revealed by SARS after the fact. :P It's also dropped in size by 1KB!

You should probably make an article or just a section of the site full of these little tidbits that only rise up in these discussions. These are the kind of misconceptions and brainbugs that have grown over the years. Half the community is still trying to figure out where the Southlands are, you know.
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[Vextor]

I've stated the same thing a number of times in various places, but these things are likc cockroaches.

[John Layfield]

Even a post from a cornerstone of the Suikoden community can get lost in the shuffle after a while. :P

I seem to remember a sort of FAQ topic on GameFAQs where you managed to clear up some misunderstandings, answered some common questions and so on which probably had a wider impact. Similarly, I'm willing to bet that the fact the famous Georg Prime correction article was famous was due to it being an article on the site rather than a forum post put down when someone treated the wrong version of events as fact.

Maybe some sort of site FAQ or debunking page would do a lot more of these situations?

And to stay on topic: Maps are nice because you can see lots of places without having to buy a bus ticket. =)
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[Parallax]

It's a cool map. In particular, I like the feel of it, like it's printed on some dusty old parchment, and the hand-inked feel of the font. Looks like a real map that one might hold in their hands. Unfortunately, all this discussion has sparked in me is a desire to play a game beyond Suikoden V, set perhaps in the Nameless Lands or the Holy Kingdom of Harmonia if for no other reason than to flesh out our understanding of that part of the world a bit more.

As for the Southlands, I'm glad Sars mentioned that, because I didn't know that. I thought it was a place as well...not just indicating somewhere in a southerly direction. It's still somewhat likely that Wakaba and Long Chan Chan are from some place like the remains of Kooluk, since most of the other 'southern' type territories are mentioned by name in birthplaces.
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[KoRnholio]

How'd you find that Kain map, iscalio? Friggin Christmas! I thought that thing was lost forever.

rane: Yes, it was made pre-Suikoden 3. In 2000, to be exact.

[Blazing Camp]

[Barbarossa Rugner]

Wow everything looks great and it's nice to finally get some kind of confirmation on what the landmass should look like. I think everyone who has been around suikoden for a while had a good idea of where everything should go, but the spacing between the nations is key. For a while i thought the grasslands would be spaced further west and farther away from Tinto and Dunan, but that seems to not be the case. Also it would seem that with Gaien being that large we could see a game placed there in the future. Much of the way Gaien was mentioned in Sukoden 4, but not much time was spent there reminds me of Suikoden 1 and the City States of Jowston. Just a thought and good work John.
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