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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: Advanced spoiler on one of the changes from phase 8. |
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We already know that there will be changes in stats from phase 8.
Another change will be how alliances work.
Nations that are in alliances can now have supply lines to separated regions if it can be connected through allies. This can be done for free.
Also, if a cut-off region has no direct route to your nation's capital, but has a direct route to an ally's capital, you will be able to purchase supplies from your allies for a minimum fee of 200000 potch (or more). The payment must be made to your ally's nation leader directly.
Regions that are connected with this method will generate PP and soldiers just like any normal region, and will not suffer attack/defense penalties. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well puppy me!
Nice addition though ^_^ _________________
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yes, this also means PP for each nation will no longer be posted publicly, and the only Declaration of Intent that would be published would be declarations for battles. This is because people will be able to find out who is allied with who by looking at PPs if these info are made public. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Just want to make sure that I don't misunderstand this. If A is allied with B, and A has 4 initial PP while B has 6 initial PP. Then if they're connected to each other, would this mean that both A and B have 10 PP each? _________________
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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No, you misunderstand. Let's say nation A has 10 regions, but 3 of those are not connected to the capital. This means nation A has 11 (5+6) PP. Now, if those three cut-off regions are connected to your capital through the territory of nation B, and if nation B is an ally of nation A, then nation A receives PP for those cut-off regions as well - and as such would have a total of 14 (5+9) PP. |
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Aurelien
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ah okay. I totally missed that part. >_< Thanks for the answer. _________________
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, That adds an almost new
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*dimension* to the game. It'll make picking allies a intergal part. Sounds fun! _________________
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget about ports. Many nations can be connected via ports.
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Also, if a cut-off region has no direct route to your nation's capital, but has a direct route to an ally's capital, you will be able to purchase supplies from your allies for a minimum fee of 200000 potch (or more). The payment must be made to your ally's nation leader directly. |
Quick question - by "supplies" do you just mean that with 200,000 potch as a minimum you can negate and cut-off region effects for the phase and get your PP back up? When would the money need to be transfered? _________________
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Vextor
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Yes, and money can be transferred any time during the phase, but the intent would at least teed to be communicated to me so I can calculate your PP. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:01 am Post subject: |
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awsome, to bad you didn't know how to do more programing and connect this to, some...programish thing somhow. well lots of sites had done things right?
anway, this sounds fun. _________________ few runes short of a set of 27
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think we really need an automated program to work out a nations PP and keep it secret. It wouldn't be unwelcome if it's created but it's not necessary. _________________
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Will this change the effect of naval supply lines as well?
Say, for example, that Harmonia and Jowston were in an alliance and that Harmonia wins at Dusumnek this phase. Since White Wolf and Sajah are connected and Sajah is connected to Dusumnek and Serpent's Cove and Dusumnek are both port cities would it follow that Serpent's Cove and all other JOwston regions connected to it would have supplies? _________________ "There is no normal life, there's just life. Now get on with it" |
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Timbo wrote: |
Say, for example, that Harmonia and Jowston were in an alliance and that Harmonia wins at Dusumnek this phase. Since White Wolf and Sajah are connected and Sajah is connected to Dusumnek and Serpent's Cove and Dusumnek are both port cities would it follow that Serpent's Cove and all other JOwston regions connected to it would have supplies? |
I believe it would, but (if I understand this rule change correctly) if Jowston were attacked in one of those cut off regions they'd have to pay me 200,000 potch in order to fight at full force there. That's how I understand it anyway.
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Oh yes, this also means PP for each nation will no longer be posted publicly, and the only Declaration of Intent that would be published would be declarations for battles. This is because people will be able to find out who is allied with who by looking at PPs if these info are made public. |
But, couldn't people figure out alliances by working backwards through the Declaration of Intent? If something doesn't add up right by first glance at the Nation Map, then one can answer it by assuming there is an alliance present. _________________ ~~Harmonian Tenhei Star~~
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:59 am Post subject: |
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You may not know who a nation is allied with though if a nation is connected to their cutoff regions via several other nations; it would just be a guessing game. Also, you could only work backwards if they attack more than they would appear to be able to. If they just reassign several units with the extra PP, you wouldn't know. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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As I understand it, Jowston would be connected to their remaining regions through Dusumnek and Serpent's Cove - though if Falena win at Dusumnek and Harmonia's new capital is connected to Sajah then Jowston would have to pay Harmonia 200,000 potch. However, if Highland took Sajah back then Jowston wouldn't have any connections and would have to move their capital if they wanted more PP. That's how I understand it anyway.
Naval lines apply to this in the same way that they apply to a nations normal PP.
If Highland lost naval superiority to Blight's Bay, then Black Dragon Island would be removed from our PP and also we couldn't use our port to connect any cut off regions using an allies regions/capital or vica verca.
Edit: Quick question - does this apply to multiple nations in an alliance? For example, say Nation A's regions are cut off from the capital but they're connected to Nation B. Nation B and C are connected and Nation A is connected (somehow) to Nation C - does that still count or can it only be through one nation? _________________
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